(07-10-2021, 12:33 PM)rfaulk34 Wrote: But which part of his game was so much better after 2019? He gave up 1 fewer total pressure, though he did go from 10 sacks given up to 6. His pressure and sack numbers were 12th and 3rd most in 2018 and they improved to 14th and 15th most in 2019. That's out of 62/61 tackles that played at least 50% of snaps in each year. He basically went from 15th percentile to 23rd percentile.

It's an improvement, but not so much that he showed any real promise.  

(07-10-2021, 05:50 PM)fredtoast Wrote: I need to see these stats.  

Maybe it is because you are using totals instead of "per snap" but I don't believe that Harts 6 sacks allowed in 1000 snaps played was anywhere near 47th out of 62.

The PFF "Pass Blocking Efficiency" rating measures pressure allowed on a per-snap basis with weighting toward sacks allowed.  In 2019 at 50% of max pass blocks (753) Hart was 28th out of 58 with a 96.7 efficiency.  What was his ranking in 2018?

(07-10-2021, 08:24 PM)rfaulk34 Wrote: 2018 he was 95.9, which was 49th out of 58 qualifiers. 

(07-10-2021, 08:55 PM)fredtoast Wrote: So he improved from the 16th percentile to the 48th percentile.

Like I said all along, major improvement.

But unlike a lot of people around here I don't blindly defend or attack a player just because I like or dislike him.  I defended Hart when e improved, but not this year when he declined.  

One of the biggest problems I have with a lot of fans is their refusal to change their minds when a player really changes.  I remember when Andre Smith turned his career around and was one of the bets RTs in the league for a while.  There were still a bunch of people here who claimed he was trash.  They had invested so much in mocking him that they were not willing to admit he had improved dramatically.

(07-10-2021, 07:21 PM)Interceptor Wrote: I'd like to see the first 4 games of the season before hoping for anything.

(07-09-2021, 05:16 PM)TJ528 Wrote: The bad thing is I'm not asking that question as a smart ass.  

I'm asking that question because as a long time fan who obviously doesn't have rose color glasses I'm just wanting to understand what he does well.  

I'm guessing interviews well is a great response because otherwise he wouldn't have gotten this job.  

(07-11-2021, 12:29 PM)SHRacerX Wrote: You are on a Bengals Fan Message Board and that is your signature?

Banhammer twirling.....(WHOOSH  WHOOSH  WHOOSH).  We STILL need that emoji.  

(07-09-2021, 11:05 AM)SHRacerX Wrote: despite facing solid defenses like LA (Woo Hoo, I didn't say San Diego!)

(07-14-2021, 08:35 AM)Sled21 Wrote: Like I've said before, it's getting harder and harder to tell Jungle Noise from Smack Talk.

(07-14-2021, 10:51 PM)Essex Johnson Wrote: It really comes down to Burrow we moved the ball but did not score last year.. outside of Cleveland ( 6 passing TDS in 2 games) he was not good at scoring.. he had only 7 passing TDs in those other 8 games, as the franchise QB he has to do better at scoring for us to be successful... This was a clear difference between Herbert and Burrow last season.. both throw for a lot of yards but Herbert was much more potent in throwing TDS.. 67% of games he had 2 or more TDs.. Burrow was at 44% with throwing out Washington game that he got hurt.

(07-14-2021, 11:06 PM)EatonFan Wrote: That's why I think he'll be a bit better with Chase in there.  +6 points per game is what I'm expecting.  

(07-14-2021, 11:16 PM)Essex Johnson Wrote: well again we were in position to add plus 6 last year with the amount of yards we put up so really comes down to Burrow improving more to me than adding Chase.

(07-15-2021, 12:22 AM)Benton Wrote: Hinges on the line.

Personally Im thinking bottom half. I think we start strong and as ol injuries add up, we fade away on offense.

But who knows. Maybe jonah plays more than half a season?

(07-14-2021, 09:11 PM)Nately120 Wrote: Meh, this place is pretty kind.  If you look at the gameday threads on most other message boards at least half of the posts are about how the starting QB orally pleasures men, or something completely pointless of that nature.

Hell, there is a Raiders board that has a 195 page thread that is called "F*** You Derek Carr." 

(07-14-2021, 08:35 AM)Sled21 Wrote: Like I've said before, it's getting harder and harder to tell Jungle Noise from Smack Talk.

(07-14-2021, 11:16 PM)Essex Johnson Wrote: well again we were in position to add plus 6 last year with the amount of yards we put up so really comes down to Burrow improving more to me than adding Chase.

(07-11-2021, 12:29 PM)SHRacerX Wrote: You are on a Bengals Fan Message Board and that is your signature?

Banhammer twirling.....(WHOOSH  WHOOSH  WHOOSH).  We STILL need that emoji.  

(07-14-2021, 11:16 PM)Essex Johnson Wrote: well again we were in position to add plus 6 last year with the amount of yards we put up so really comes down to Burrow improving more to me than adding Chase.