(08-03-2021, 09:16 AM)Wes Mantooth Wrote: Cincinnati had the 3rd most viewers for the 2020 NFL Draft:

https://local12.com/sports/bengals/cincinnati-was-no-3-market-nationally-in-terms-of-viewership-for-nfl-drafts-first-round-ohio-nielsen-roger-goodell-joe-burrow-bengals-columbus-cleveland

Cincinnati has the 2nd higest local rating for Monday Night Football last year  (look at the ratings for big markets like DC and Philly):

https://espnpressroom.com/us/press-releases/2020/12/high-five-steelers-bengals-drives-espns-monday-night-football-to-15-year-over-year-audience-growth-fifth-consecutive-week-of-mnf-viewership-gains/

These are just examples of what I was talking about earlier.  Viewership, also known as ratings, is incredibly important.  Advertisers care more about this than they do market size.  Both of them matter.  

Cincinnati is a great market for the NFL to be in.  And if you're going off of market size alone, then I would assume they'll be looking to move the Chiefs, Steelers, and Colts as well.

(08-03-2021, 08:05 AM)SHRacerX Wrote: Columbus is one of the largest cities in the country, and still growing.  There is some crazy stat I heard at a Nationwide Children's Medical Conference that Columbus is within 6 hours of something like 75% of the nation's population (although that doesn't seem realistic). 

The one scenario I could see is Columbus as that city could probably build the stadium and still be close enough to Cincy that it wouldn't cause too much of an uproar.  

That being said, I sure as hell hope it doesn't happen.  FWIW, I don't think the Brown family will move the team.  This is the family that turns down significant money for naming rights to the stadium to remain named in honor of the team's founder.  If it were a big corporate type ownership, I think they would move.  This might be one of the only times being a mom-and-pop organization favors the team.  

(08-03-2021, 09:42 AM)Wes Mantooth Wrote: Rank Team(s) Pop. in TV Households (000s) Media Market(s)

1) New York Giants / Jets 22421 New York, Hartford-New Haven1 , Wilkes-Barre--Scranton
2) Oakland Raiders / San Francisco 49ers 10645 San Francisco-Oakland-San Jose, Sacramento-Stockton-Modesto, Monterey-Salinas
3) Chicago Bears 10606 Chicago, South Bend-Elkhart, Rockford
4) New England Patriots 9684 Boston (Manchester), Hartford-New Haven1 , Providence-New Bedford, Springfield-Holyoke
5) Philadelphia Eagles 8688 Philadelphia, Harrisburg-Lancaster-Lebanon-York2
6) Carolina Panthers 8152 Charlotte, Greenville-Spartanburg-Asheville-Anderson, Greensboro--High Point--Wiston-Salem, Columbia
7) Dallas Cowboys 8071 Dallas-Fort Worth, Waco-Temple-Bryan, Sherman-Ada
8) Detroit Lions 8032 Detroit, Flint-Saginaw-Bay City, Toledo, Lansing, Windsor
9) Atlanta Falcons 6462 Atlanta, Macon
10) Houston Texans 6452 Houston, Beaumont-Port Arthur
11) Washington Redskins 5853 Washington (Hagerstown)
12) Miami Dolphins 5722 Miami-Fort Lauderdale, West Palm Beach-Fort Pierce
13) Minnesota Vikings 5073 Minneapolis-Saint Paul, Rochester-Mason City-Austin, Mankato
14) Cleveland Browns 4794 Cleveland-Akron (Canton), Youngstown
15) Denver Broncos 4727 Denver, Colorado Springs-Pueblo
16) Cincinnati Bengals 4666 Cincinnati, Dayton, Lexington
17) Seattle Seahawks4 4565 Seattle-Tacoma
18) Arizona Cardinals 4438 Phoenix (Prescott)
19) Tampa Bay Buccaneers 4417 Tampa-Saint Petersburg (Sarasota), Orlando-Daytona Beach-Melbourne3
20) Pittsburgh Steelers 4396 Pittsburgh, Johnstown-Altoona-State College, Wheeling-Steubenville, Clarksburg-Weston
21) Baltimore Ravens 4248 Baltimore, Harrisburg-Lancaster-Lebanon-York2 , Salisbury
22) Green Bay Packers5 4186 Milwaukee, Green Bay-Appleton, Madison
23) Saint Louis Rams 3986 Saint Louis, Champaign-Springfield-Decatur
24) Jacksonville Jaguars 3660 Jacksonville, Gainesville, Orlando-Daytona Beach-Melbourne3
25) Indianapolis Colts 3266 Indianapolis, Terre Haute, Lafayette
26) Buffalo Bills6 2990 Buffalo, Rochester, Erie
27) Kansas City Chiefs 2903 Kansas City, Topeka, Saint Joseph
28) San Diego Chargers 2683 San Diego7
29) Tennessee Titans 2667 Nashville, Bowling Green
30) New Orleans Saints 2635 New Orleans, Baton Rouge, Biloxi-Gulfport

(08-03-2021, 10:41 AM)Nicomo Cosca Wrote: Columbus will never have an NFL team. OSU is all that matters in that town.

(08-03-2021, 10:56 AM)SHRacerX Wrote: I get that, but there are a lot of Bengals fans there, and that city is massive.  I could see it happening there before the other cities I have heard mentioned.  

But you are right....how would you like to be going up against a team that wins 90% of the time???

They also have shown a huge following for the Blue Jackets and Columbus Crew.  Granted, those are different sports, but they have a shit ton of fans.  

(08-02-2021, 07:19 PM)Essex Johnson Wrote: Sadly I think the future of small media  markets like Buffalo, Cincinnati and Jacksonville are facing intense $$ to move to larger and/or growing markets out there to move.  So enjoy the Bengals the next few years as the lease agreement is up in 2026.  We might see the Bills gone in a couple years... and trust me I am not advocating for it regardless how we play good or bad the next few years

https://www.foxnews.com/sports/bills-reportedly-eyeing-move

(08-03-2021, 12:08 PM)XenoMorph Wrote: Based on the Fact its still called Paul Brown Stadium i dont think its much of a worry as long as Mike is around.

(08-03-2021, 11:01 AM)Nicomo Cosca Wrote: Columbus is also pretty much split into both Browns and Bengals fans (maybe with the Browns having a slight edge) as far as NFL goes. I just don’t see it.

(08-02-2021, 07:32 PM)psychdoctor Wrote: I think the new energy the FO has instilled over the last several months has helped and I think Mike Brown will let his daughter negotiate the new lease which should help.

(08-02-2021, 07:19 PM)Essex Johnson Wrote: Sadly I think the future of small media  markets like Buffalo, Cincinnati and Jacksonville are facing intense $$ to move to larger and/or growing markets out there to move.  So enjoy the Bengals the next few years as the lease agreement is up in 2026.  We might see the Bills gone in a couple years... and trust me I am not advocating for it regardless how we play good or bad the next few years

https://www.foxnews.com/sports/bills-reportedly-eyeing-move

(08-03-2021, 09:42 AM)Wes Mantooth Wrote: Rank Team(s) Pop. in TV Households (000s) Media Market(s)

1) New York Giants / Jets 22421 New York, Hartford-New Haven1 , Wilkes-Barre--Scranton
2) Oakland Raiders / San Francisco 49ers 10645 San Francisco-Oakland-San Jose, Sacramento-Stockton-Modesto, Monterey-Salinas
3) Chicago Bears 10606 Chicago, South Bend-Elkhart, Rockford
4) New England Patriots 9684 Boston (Manchester), Hartford-New Haven1 , Providence-New Bedford, Springfield-Holyoke
5) Philadelphia Eagles 8688 Philadelphia, Harrisburg-Lancaster-Lebanon-York2
6) Carolina Panthers 8152 Charlotte, Greenville-Spartanburg-Asheville-Anderson, Greensboro--High Point--Wiston-Salem, Columbia
7) Dallas Cowboys 8071 Dallas-Fort Worth, Waco-Temple-Bryan, Sherman-Ada
8) Detroit Lions 8032 Detroit, Flint-Saginaw-Bay City, Toledo, Lansing, Windsor
9) Atlanta Falcons 6462 Atlanta, Macon
10) Houston Texans 6452 Houston, Beaumont-Port Arthur
11) Washington Redskins 5853 Washington (Hagerstown)
12) Miami Dolphins 5722 Miami-Fort Lauderdale, West Palm Beach-Fort Pierce
13) Minnesota Vikings 5073 Minneapolis-Saint Paul, Rochester-Mason City-Austin, Mankato
14) Cleveland Browns 4794 Cleveland-Akron (Canton), Youngstown
15) Denver Broncos 4727 Denver, Colorado Springs-Pueblo
16) Cincinnati Bengals 4666 Cincinnati, Dayton, Lexington
17) Seattle Seahawks4 4565 Seattle-Tacoma
18) Arizona Cardinals 4438 Phoenix (Prescott)
19) Tampa Bay Buccaneers 4417 Tampa-Saint Petersburg (Sarasota), Orlando-Daytona Beach-Melbourne3
20) Pittsburgh Steelers 4396 Pittsburgh, Johnstown-Altoona-State College, Wheeling-Steubenville, Clarksburg-Weston
21) Baltimore Ravens 4248 Baltimore, Harrisburg-Lancaster-Lebanon-York2 , Salisbury
22) Green Bay Packers5 4186 Milwaukee, Green Bay-Appleton, Madison
23) Saint Louis Rams 3986 Saint Louis, Champaign-Springfield-Decatur
24) Jacksonville Jaguars 3660 Jacksonville, Gainesville, Orlando-Daytona Beach-Melbourne3
25) Indianapolis Colts 3266 Indianapolis, Terre Haute, Lafayette
26) Buffalo Bills6 2990 Buffalo, Rochester, Erie
27) Kansas City Chiefs 2903 Kansas City, Topeka, Saint Joseph
28) San Diego Chargers 2683 San Diego7
29) Tennessee Titans 2667 Nashville, Bowling Green
30) New Orleans Saints 2635 New Orleans, Baton Rouge, Biloxi-Gulfport

(08-03-2021, 01:48 PM)BengalChris Wrote: I find it amazing that people think Cincinnati is a small market.

According to this link https://www.statista.com/statistics/183600/population-of-metropolitan-areas-in-the-us/, if you count down, Cincinnati metro area is the 30th largest in the US.

San Diego is 60% larger and is about the size of the Tampa area (where I live). Pittsburgh and Las Vegas are microscopically larger than Cinci.

Cleveland, Indy and KC are slightly smaller than Cinci.

New Orleans, Carolina, Milwaukee, Buffalo and Jacksonville are much smaller.

Is it the market size or is it a failure to deliver what the people want?

It's a question that has to be asked.

 

(08-04-2021, 11:52 AM)BengalChris Wrote: What larger metro areas would be offering the Brown family a pile of cash?

Here's the list of areas larger than Cinci who don't have an NFL team:

San Bernardino/Riverside/Ontario, CA (4,650,630) Part of the greater, greater Los Angeles area
San Diego, CA (3,338,330) Couldn't keep the Chargers in town
Orlando (2,608,150) I just don't see a fourth a team in Florida as being marketable and it's only a two hour drive over here to Tampa.
San Antonio, TX (2,550,960)
Portland, OR (2,492,410)
Sacamento, CA (2,363,730)
Austin, TX (2,227,080)

The San Fran/Oakland area in California could possibly hold another team as the Raiders have moved away, but who would want to live in that crap hole?

None of those look like very exciting destinations.