(09-01-2021, 11:24 PM)Benton Wrote: Can he at least return punts?

(09-02-2021, 02:33 PM)Shake n Blake Wrote: Find the routes this kid is most comfortable with, and start with those to build some of his confidence back up. Then go from there. Work with the players, rather than forcing them to fit a very specific role. That's always been my stance with pretty much all players.

(09-02-2021, 02:33 PM)Shake n Blake Wrote: Find the routes this kid is most comfortable with, and start with those to build some of his confidence back up. Then go from there. Work with the players, rather than forcing them to fit a very specific role. That's always been my stance with pretty much all players.

(09-02-2021, 03:16 PM)Joelist Wrote: Makes sense. I'd also like them to actually let both him and Burrow just play - they like to stretch the field so let them. 

(09-02-2021, 04:07 PM)Synric Wrote: If Chase only runs Go's, Posts, and Corners 9,8,7, routes does he come off the field in the redzone? If they want to run a double slant play he comes off the field? What about digs curls outs?

If you limit the routes Ja'Marr Chase runs you limit the plays you can run which limits the offense. It's very simple if he can't run a full route tree as an X receiver he doesn't see the field.

(09-02-2021, 04:08 PM)Au165 Wrote: Dez Bryant couldn’t run a full route tree…

I’m not saying Chase can’t but the notion you have too isn’t really true. I mentioned early on, limit his targets leading him into traffic because he has a mental block right now. Work out breaking or deep posts in MOFO situations.

(09-02-2021, 04:07 PM)Synric Wrote: If Chase only runs Go's, Posts, and Corners 9,8,7, routes does he come off the field in the redzone? If they want to run a double slant play he comes off the field? What about digs curls outs?

If you limit the routes Ja'Marr Chase runs you limit the plays you can run which limits the offense. It's very simple if he can't run a full route tree as an X receiver he doesn't see the field.

(09-02-2021, 04:12 PM)Synric Wrote: You don't have to be great at every route but you have to be able to run it.

(09-02-2021, 04:25 PM)Au165 Wrote: Dez Bryant could not, and there for was never asked to run a full route tree. Again, kind of aside but no I don’t think Chase has to run a full tree because most offenses don’t ask anyone to run a full tree. You can limit his exposure to in breaking routes for now because of the fact it’ll probably be a drop anyways. If your smart you can make it work via compressed sets and motion. Then as the season progresses you work more in as his comfort level rises.

(09-02-2021, 04:29 PM)Synric Wrote: They are using a ton of compressed sets this pre-season in their new wide zone offense and a ton of slants. 

(09-02-2021, 04:35 PM)Au165 Wrote: So let him run the clear out, not that hard and still fits in the scheme. Just saying forcing him across the middle gains us nothing if he drops it and if he does keep dropping it the issues will keep getting worse. The out route has been the one thing this camp that has looked almost automatic. Off coverage he and Burrow will check to that often I’m guessing. When a team starts jumping it you’ll get the out and up.

(09-02-2021, 03:16 PM)Joelist Wrote: Makes sense. I'd also like them to actually let both him and Burrow just play - they like to stretch the field so let them. 

(09-02-2021, 04:25 PM)Au165 Wrote: Dez Bryant could not, and there for was never asked to run a full route tree. Again, kind of aside but no I don’t think Chase has to run a full tree because most offenses don’t ask anyone to run a full tree. You can limit his exposure to in breaking routes for now because of the fact it’ll probably be a drop anyways. If your smart you can make it work via compressed sets and motion. Then as the season progresses you work more in as his comfort level rises.

(09-03-2021, 01:21 AM)EatonFan Wrote: First, put lots and lots of glue on his hands...

(09-03-2021, 01:49 AM)Joelist Wrote: Which has nothing to do with a thread regarding offensive scheming.

(09-03-2021, 01:49 AM)Joelist Wrote: Which has nothing to do with a thread regarding offensive scheming.

(09-02-2021, 04:40 PM)Synric Wrote: Out is another one he has to be able to run. Out Curl and Slant are the 3 most efficient routes in football with Slant being the most efficient. 

(09-01-2021, 06:23 PM)Joelist Wrote: A better (and less antagonistic to other forum posters) question than the "regret" or "bust" stuff is how should he be used in the offense?

My understanding of why we took him was he has the tools to stretch a defense vertically, leading to more running room and less defenses sitting on the run and the short routes. So they should be playing him at X and calling the appropriate posts and other deeper routes to leverage his strong points.

For some strange reason, in preseason games they constantly sent him on shallow routes that were frequently in the middle. The only time they actually let him get into space (albeit in the backfield) he gained 16 yards - all the others were in traffic. That and pulling not only him but the first team offense way too fast in all three game means they are still rusty going into games that count.