(09-21-2021, 10:45 AM)fredtoast Wrote: This just is not true.  The following QBs had more knockdowns (QB hits + sacks) than Burrow's 81 and did not get injured

Cousins........123
Wilson..........122
Ryan............121
Herbert........110
Watson........ 98
Tannehill...... 90
Mahommes.. 87
Stafford....... 85
Brady.......... 84


People need to stop acting like Burrow is made of glass.  We will never be able to build a complete team if we have to spend every free agent dollar and every draft pick on the O-line to make sure Joe NEVER gets hit.

(09-21-2021, 10:45 AM)fredtoast Wrote: This just is not true.  The following QBs had more knockdowns (QB hits + sacks) than Burrow's 81 and did not get injured

Cousins........123
Wilson..........122
Ryan............121
Herbert........110
Watson........ 98
Tannehill...... 90
Mahommes.. 87
Stafford....... 85
Brady.......... 84


People need to stop acting like Burrow is made of glass.  We will never be able to build a complete team if we have to spend every free agent dollar and every draft pick on the O-line to make sure Joe NEVER gets hit.

(09-21-2021, 10:31 AM)XenoMorph Wrote: no problems drafting chase... But then they should have done more in free agency for the OL....  not just a 34 year old bandaid.

Draft picks dont help if they arent ready to play.

(09-21-2021, 10:55 AM)Nicomo Cosca Wrote: And Joe needs to get better himself at avoiding some of the hits. One of the sacks against the Bears was 100% on him. It will likely come with more experience though. He’s only played in 12 games at this point.

(09-21-2021, 11:00 AM)ezekiel23 Wrote: Burrow may have become a little flustered in that last game.And for good reason.The Offensive Lines main weaknesses appear to be at Center and Right Guard.I really like Trey Hill,and would love to see them give him a start at Center.Maybe give Carman a start at RG and see what he can do.

(09-21-2021, 11:01 AM)BengalsRocker Wrote: That's the problem though.

The team is at fault.

That's why they're in this position in the first place.  They feel like they're trying.

They just haven't done a very good job at O-line evaluation for many seasons and signed FAs who aren't very good.

Williams might be the exception but his time here as a whole is underwhelming.

I'm also sick of hearing the bashing of Pollack.  He's miles above Turner and if you don't think so you're quite daft.

Turner was so bad it isn't even funny.  Pollack isn't some miracle worker but he's better.

(09-21-2021, 10:45 AM)fredtoast Wrote: This just is not true.  The following QBs had more knockdowns (QB hits + sacks) than Burrow's 81 and did not get injured

Cousins........123
Wilson..........122
Ryan............121
Herbert........110
Watson........ 98
Tannehill...... 90
Mahommes.. 87
Stafford....... 85
Brady.......... 84


People need to stop acting like Burrow is made of glass.  We will never be able to build a complete team if we have to spend every free agent dollar and every draft pick on the O-line to make sure Joe NEVER gets hit.

(09-21-2021, 11:18 AM)ezekiel23 Wrote: We know Joe is going to take some hits,that inevitable.And that’s fine,because that’s part of being a Quarterback.Joe Burrow is tough,resilient,and a fierce competitor.But he’s not Superman.We want a better OL so Joe can do his thing.This last Super Bowl,featuring the best Quarterback in the NFL,in Patrick Mahomes,is a good example of what a patchwork OL can humble even the best Quarterback in the league.He didn’t ever look average.Of course things are a little different now,as the Chiefs virtually rebuilt him a new and improved line,to ensure that the embarrassing disaster never happens again.

(09-21-2021, 11:01 AM)BengalsRocker Wrote: That's the problem though.

The team is at fault.

That's why they're in this position in the first place.  They feel like they're trying.

They just haven't done a very good job at O-line evaluation for many seasons and signed FAs who aren't very good.

Williams might be the exception but his time here as a whole is underwhelming.

I'm also sick of hearing the bashing of Pollack.  He's miles above Turner and if you don't think so you're quite daft.

Turner was so bad it isn't even funny.  Pollack isn't some miracle worker but he's better.

(09-21-2021, 11:28 AM)TJ528 Wrote: This is what a real NFL front office does for their star QB and team that has hopes and real possibilities of making a Super Bowl appearance. 

(09-21-2021, 11:33 AM)fredtoast Wrote: This is what a team does that has an elite roster across the board and can afford to concentrate all their resources on one weak spot.

You honestly think we win the Super Bowl this year if we had spent all our free agent money and draft picks on the O-line?

(09-21-2021, 11:47 AM)TJ528 Wrote: No but i honestly believe if this team had an OL they spent money on in the same vein as the Chargers and Cheifs they'd battle for a potential playoff spot, as long as the defense continues to play the way they are. 

(09-21-2021, 11:54 AM)fredtoast Wrote: You think our defense would be playing the way it si now without the money we spent on free agents Ogunjobi, Hendrickson, Reader, Awuzie, Hilton, and Bell?

(09-20-2021, 09:56 PM)Nate (formerly eliminate08) Wrote: Wow, you guys seem a bit overly dramatic here lol

Burrow has done a bit of this himself. He is the one who calls audibles, he was the one that panicked (like Dalton did) and
just fell down allowing himself to be sacked multiple times. The RB's sucked at picking up the blitz and Hopkins needs to be
replaced before these things get Burrow hurt. The OL has been average which is much better than last year. Hopkins is just
coming off injury and clearly isn't ready mentally or physically right now.

Sewell played bad in his first game and sure wouldn't of been the answer at this time. Chase has played very well on the
other hand. Sure I wanted Linsley at Center this Offseason and this seems to have been the big mistake.

I am worried about Burrow myself and much of it is on his mental state at this time and his bad decision making. But I
think he will study up and get his game down again. It is just taking some time and glad this happened honestly so the
entire Offense, him including can learn from it. Put Trey Hill in at Center, Carman in at RG and things could turn around in
a great way.

(09-21-2021, 08:44 AM)BengalsRocker Wrote: The fact that both O-line and the need for a receiver to replace Green were issues often gets overlooked around here.

High price tags of FAs(that's if they even wanted to play here)and questioning the talent level of later round WRs coming out of the draft weighed into the thoughts.

This finger pointing "Team Sewell" & "Team Chase" is all a bunch of bullshit in my opinion.

The team.  Not the fans.  Needed to do the work to fix these areas.

Be creative and sign some decent FAs.  Draft players to hopefully upgrade as well.

Did we all forget that this same Front Office was whiffing the crap out of O-linemen in the past few drafts(we weren't even positive about Williams)?

It was going to take a lot more than Sewell(I preferred Slater BTW)to fix things overnight.

The easy route to replace someone like what Green was supposed to be(and clearly wasn't anymore)is to take a WR high.

If Higgins goes down we only had Boyd and he's not enough.  Tate?  Too damn slow.

I'm not sure if Carman was the answer but they had other opportunities.  Hell they could have even moved up if they wanted to.

I just shake my head and keep reading these posts.  Chase has contributed and looks to be legit going forward but who really knows.

He's making the plays that Green couldn't manage with Burrow last season.

I'm more worried about Trey Hopkins not working out at this point and who is replacing him.

I just want to know WHO are all of these people that supposedly think our O-line is great?

A couple of random posters on a message board?

"I hope you're happy team new shiny toy" "We'll get to see how good our WRs are with Allen throwing to them"  

Give me a F'n break. 

(09-21-2021, 11:18 AM)ezekiel23 Wrote: Of course things are a little different now,as the Chiefs virtually rebuilt him a new and improved line,to ensure that the embarrassing disaster never happens again.

(09-20-2021, 12:10 PM)Nately120 Wrote: If Burrow gets hurt this year it's going to be a bad look.  Elizabeth Blackburn is going to be scrambling to come up with ways to convince people to come watch Brandon Allen.

(09-20-2021, 10:21 PM)Nicomo Cosca Wrote: Tbf I don’t think Sewell was bad. He wasn’t as good as Jonah in week one, but he doesn’t have to play that well tonight to be better than Jonah was yesterday…

But people are going to drive themselves crazy (and everyone else) if they keep comparing him and Chase every week.

Now, if we don’t find a long term solution at RT after Reiff leaves (whenever that is - - it could be a couple years from now), then maybe we’ll regret passing on Sewell. But I like D’Ante Smith, and he might be an option by then. Or whoever else. A lot could change by then.

Chase is the impact player I knew he’d be though. And he has brought the home run ability this offense desperately needed. Kid is a threat to take one to the house on any play.

I completely understand being upset the team didn’t do more for the OL in FA, but Chase is going to make even the biggest “Team Sewell” guys love him. That I’m sure of.

(09-20-2021, 10:10 PM)George Cantstandya Wrote: Not really wanting to go down this route, but Sewell had a pretty solid first game, certainly not bad, just to clarify.

https://www.prideofdetroit.com/2021/9/13/22671859/penei-sewell-not-pleased-impressive-nfl-debut-nick-bosa-win-every-rep


6 pressures isn't so great but zero sacks allowed in 60 pass attempts and everyone here quotes PFF as an important source.   So anyway just wanted to point that out.  

But to clarify I'm fine with Chase and pleased to see he has been playing well.