(10-26-2021, 08:21 PM)Nicomo Cosca Wrote: Carman struggles too much with speed rushers to play OT at the NFL level. He’s a perfect RG though. That’s why at least one outlet had him as the 2nd best OG prospect in this draft class after AVT.

If the future RT is already currently on this team, it’s D’Ante Smith.

(10-27-2021, 08:29 AM)SHRacerX Wrote: Pretty amazing, the draft re-cap thus far:  

• Round 1 • Pick 5 • WR Ja’Marr Chase, LSU Tigers (breakdown) (grade)- STUD
• Round 2 • Pick 46 • OT Jackson Carman, Clemson Tigers (breakdown) (grade)- Quality Starter
• Round 3 • 69 • DE Joseph Ossai, Texas Longhorns (breakdown) (grade)- Injured in preseason
• Round 4 • Pick 111 • DE Cameron Sample, Tulane Green Wave (breakdown) (grade)- Solid rotational player
• Round 4 • Pick 122 • DT Tyler Shelvin, LSU Tigers (breakdown) (grade)-Developmental DT
• Round 4 • Pick 139 • OT D’Ante Smith, ECU Pirates (breakdown) (grade)- Development OT that already impressed
• Round 5 • Pick 149 • K Evan McPherson, Florida Gators (breakdown) (grade)- STUD
• Round 6 • Pick 190 • C Trey Hill, Georgia Bulldogs (breakdown) (grade)- Developmental C that already had solid play
• Round 6 • Pick 202 • RB Chris Evans, Michigan Wolverines (breakdown) (grade)- STUD
• Round 7 • Pick 235 • DE Wyatt Hubert, Kansas State Wildcats (breakdown)- Injured.
• When you factor in that you only get 7 picks to begin with and the Bengals ended up with 10 because of a Ryan Finley fleecing (I mean trade) of the Texans and sliding in round 2 to get 2 additional 4th rounders from the Pats, it is downright amazing.  Three certified studs, a quality starter, two other offensive lineman that have flashed.  A developmental DT that doesn't have to play right away and will be focusing on conditioning and strength.  We also saw that Ossai could also be a stud.  This draft class is contributing NOW.  They are just kids!  Amazing.  
  

(10-27-2021, 08:38 PM)Go Cards Wrote: Smith may be the one and that would be great if so and agree Carman is more suited for G than OT. 

But really think Center and RT will need to be the top priorities in offseason and grab a CB in FA. 

(10-28-2021, 01:23 PM)Nate (formerly eliminate08) Wrote: Yes, Carman is made for Guard, I think he can be one of the best Guards we have ever had. He would get beat by speed rushers 
in the NFL if he was playing OT though. This is his one weakness. D'Ante has quicker feet is longer and is not just a mauler, he is
better fit at OT than Carman. Would love for Lindenbaum the Center from Iowa to fall to us at 32 in the Draft next year.

I don't know who will be available in FA yet but yeah I would look for a Center there or another RT if we don't bring back Reiff.

CB might be our thought in the first round, it is always a good investment to grab a Corner early in the Draft more so than OL 
who are a gamble at times. Sauce Gardner CB out of Cincy sure would be awesome, love this guy and the other CB on Cincy in
Coby Bryant. But there are lots of good Corners that should be available late in the first.

(10-28-2021, 03:01 PM)Stewy Wrote: Nate man.  I love your optimism.  You have us drafting at 32.  

I do not believe this talk of a center in FA or the draft at all.  Hopkins is recovering from his injury and getting better every week and the future of the C position is Hill.  He is an absolute mauler, and it is clear that the coaches like him AND he's flashed when he's been in.  We have a starter and his backup/replacement on the Team.  I do not believe it will be prioritized in FA or the draft for a couple years.

(10-28-2021, 06:37 PM)Nate (formerly eliminate08) Wrote: It is possible, not saying it is going to happen but...

I was just saying that so someone would catch it. Hope we are drafting that late lol

Could be right, doesn't have to be primarily a Center either, just saying interior player that can play Center. Cause yeah, Hop
is decent when he is healthy he just hasn't been 100% so far this year. Trey Hill I love, he is actually the player we needed 
along with Carman coming on. OT on both sides might even be more of a need considering Reiff's age. I think we might bring
back Reiff though and D'Ante Smith or Adeniji could be the guys in the wings as replacement options.

Definitely going to have to pay Quinton Spain this Offseason, this is a priority with how well he has played for us this year IMO.

Just want to keep the trenches on both sides rotating with good players. We are better off than some claim right now though.

(10-28-2021, 07:11 PM)Stewy Wrote: I agree with all of that, except it could be and maybe likely is that they see Hill replacing Spain at LG, and letting Spain go collect his payday from someone else.  In that case a nice IL c/g draft pick would be good, but with and interior of Hill/Hop/Cam or perhaps Hop/Hill/Cam, they'd be looking for more young backup in the 3-5th rounds, allowing BPA that's not a QB/WR to be 1st/2nd round.

What I am saying is that people really need to be prepared for this team REALLY liking the kids from this draft, and the players currently on the team leading to a lack of OL high in the next draft.  I'm sensing secondary or TE or a strong DL/DE, but definitely not OLine in the 1st or perhaps even 2nd, unless someone drops.

(10-28-2021, 07:11 PM)Stewy Wrote: I agree with all of that, except it could be and maybe likely is that they see Hill replacing Spain at LG, and letting Spain go collect his payday from someone else.  In that case a nice IL c/g draft pick would be good, but with and interior of Hill/Hop/Cam or perhaps Hop/Hill/Cam, they'd be looking for more young backup in the 3-5th rounds, allowing BPA that's not a QB/WR to be 1st/2nd round.

What I am saying is that people really need to be prepared for this team REALLY liking the kids from this draft, and the players currently on the team leading to a lack of OL high in the next draft.  I'm sensing secondary or TE or a strong DL/DE, but definitely not OLine in the 1st or perhaps even 2nd, unless someone drops.

(10-27-2021, 10:38 AM)Nicomo Cosca Wrote: A quick google search tells me Titans center Ben Jones will be a FA. He’s currently grading out at 72.8 by PFF. He’s a couple years younger than Kelce, but yeah, unfortunately the FA center market is pretty slim pickings this year.

(10-27-2021, 06:34 PM)Nicomo Cosca Wrote:

? Jackson Carman picking up this stunt pic.twitter.com/3hx6rdZiRe

— Matt Minich (@CoachMinich) October 27, 2021

That’s a sack last season…

(10-28-2021, 06:37 PM)Nate (formerly eliminate08) Wrote: It is possible, not saying it is going to happen but...

I was just saying that so someone would catch it. Hope we are drafting that late lol

Could be right, doesn't have to be primarily a Center either, just saying interior player that can play Center. Cause yeah, Hop
is decent when he is healthy he just hasn't been 100% so far this year. Trey Hill I love, he is actually the player we needed 
along with Carman coming on. OT on both sides might even be more of a need considering Reiff's age. I think we might bring
back Reiff though and D'Ante Smith or Adeniji could be the guys in the wings as replacement options.

Definitely going to have to pay Quinton Spain this Offseason, this is a priority with how well he has played for us this year IMO.

Just want to keep the trenches on both sides rotating with good players. We are better off than some claim right now though.

(10-29-2021, 02:18 PM)fredtoast Wrote: Absolutely.

I think last year our O-line got beat more on stunts and blitzes than just being physically overmatched.  Way too much confusion.

(10-29-2021, 02:22 PM)jwalker3853 Wrote: I agree with all of this.    My approach given the current roster of skill positions is that we continue to draft Oline and Dline early in the draft.   The more depth/competition we have in those positions, the better the foundation is for the team long term to continue to be competitive.   

The way the last couple of years have gone in the draft coupled with how this year is going so far, I really feel this team is very close to turning the corner and becoming a contender year-in and year-out.    

(10-29-2021, 02:44 PM)Synric Wrote: Here is a really good clip. The two interior defenders show drop Rieff and Carman pick up the OLB. The 3/4 end faked his drop and does a loop but Reiff sees it and picks it up while Carman washes the OLB down the line and passes him off to Hopkins. Carman gets his head around after passing off and picks up the End making an inside move.

After watching a ton of Offensive Line tape over the past few years for the draft watching the right side so in sync was amazing.

Perine with another good blitz pickup. Burrow with a good climb in the pocket. The ball gets tipped but Tee Higgins makes a nice catch and run to pick up the first. pic.twitter.com/peoFEMC8Na

— Mike (Sans) (@bengals_sans) October 26, 2021