(01-13-2022, 06:45 PM)JaggedJimmyJay Wrote: Burrow was better vs. the Chiefs than Herbert was against the Raiders.

Herbert didn’t shrink though. He wasn’t perfect, but he also had a bunch of receiver drops. I mean that final drive of regulation from him was as “rise to the occasion” as it gets, similar to Burrow against the 49ers.

(01-13-2022, 06:13 PM)Shake n Blake Wrote: Quality over quantity.

Herbert had 152 more attempts...which is a LOT.

But looking at efficiency within those attempts?

Passer rating
Burrow - 2nd
Herbert - 12th

Comp %
Burrow - 1st
Herbert - 18th

Yards per attempt
Burrow - 1st
Herbert - 11th

Heck, Burrow averaged the same yards and TDs on 7 fewer attempts per game. 7 is a huge difference, yet Burrow produced the same? And we're wondering who the better guy is?

I really don't get why some are so hesitant about this. Our guy definitely had a more impressive season, and saying so shouldn't be perceived as homerism. Burrow would have the same bulk stats as Herbert if he hasn't missed the last week because he clinched his division. On way fewer attempts.


With the playoffs on the line, our guy threw for 446 and 4 TDs with a 148.0 rating vs the best in the AFC. Outdueled Pat Mahomes.

Herbert posted an 80.4 passer rating vs the Raiders.

Not seeing where I'm getting "carried away" by suggesting the guy with the objectively FAR more impressive game was in fact more impressive?

I think people are getting hung up on me saying Herbert "shrunk", but the point is that one guy stepped up big. Herbert's game was kinda mediocre. He threw it a ton though.

(01-13-2022, 04:48 PM)ochocincos Wrote: Statistically in some categories, but not all.

This season, Herbert had 403 more passing yards and 4 more passing TDs than Burrow.
Herbert also had 184 more rushing yards and 2 more rushing TDs.

But accuracy, QB Rating, and wins favored Burrow.

I think Burrow would have surpassed Herbert in both yards and TDs though if they had anywhere close to the same number of attempts though.

(01-13-2022, 06:54 PM)Shake n Blake Wrote: He threw 30 incomplete passes and averaged 5.98 per attempt. Despite the late game heroics, it was one of his most statistically mediocre games of the year.

Either way, the point is our guy was (much) better in his biggest game of the year than Herbert was.

(01-13-2022, 06:43 PM)Shake n Blake Wrote: Only Herbert is to blame for Herbert completing 53% of his passes with an 80.4 rating.

Burrow objectively had a better day vs the Chiefs than Herbert had vs Oak...and I can't believe I'm having to argue that on a Bengals message board. If Herbert's numbers were similar or even remotely close to Burrow vs KC, I'd say people were just being objective.

But here we have a case where our guy had an objectively better day, and Bengals fans are denying it?

(01-13-2022, 07:06 PM)JaggedJimmyJay Wrote: I’m just glad nobody here is referencing that god-awful QBR stat that ESPN has been peddling for years. It’s starting to become more popular, and it drives me nuts. It’s worthless.

(01-13-2022, 07:06 PM)JaggedJimmyJay Wrote: I’m just glad nobody here is referencing that god-awful QBR stat that ESPN has been peddling for years. It’s starting to become more popular, and it drives me nuts. It’s worthless.

(01-13-2022, 06:55 PM)Frank Booth Wrote: looks like we have a Justin Herbert hater on the board

(01-13-2022, 06:55 PM)ochocincos Wrote: I'm not hesitant on it. I fully agree that Burrow was more efficient and would have surpassed Herbert if given close to the same opportunities.
I was just pointing out that Herbert does lead Burrow in some statistics.
Not only do I really like Burrow, but I think he was the far safer choice.
Herbert has the measurables but definitely had some things that needed to be worked on to play like he is.
I was worried he was gonna be another Mariota.

(01-13-2022, 07:12 PM)Shake n Blake Wrote: Not a hater. Just not homering it up for some dude who plays in Los Angeles.


Apologies is my post came across a bit terse. I'm just frustrated that we seem to have a segment of people on here (not you) that is infatuated with a guy on a different team putting up worse stats than our guy.

As I've already explained, the efficiency stats all favor Joey B.
The bulk stats *barely* favor Herbert, and that wouldn't be the case had Joe not skipped the last game.

(01-13-2022, 07:20 PM)ezekiel23 Wrote: Just simply watch that final scoring  drive in regulation,against the Raiders,that Herbert put together in the
final seconds.It was probably one of the most amazing drives I’ve ever witnessed.And I’ve been a fan of NFL football for a long time.(It was their final game of the season).

But,with that said,I’ll take Burrow over Herbert.Although I’ll admit,it’s very close.

(01-13-2022, 01:03 PM)TheLeonardLeap Wrote: I thought he was totally a bust after his rookie year. I know he had some big wow plays and whatnot, but you have to be able to complete passes to be a QB in the NFL. He's still not good yet, but he's certainly improved enough from Year 1 to Year 2 that it's intriguing to see if he'll do that again.

(01-13-2022, 07:18 PM)MickMack Wrote: 66 yards and 1 TD was Herbert's advantage going into the last game with an equal number of games played.  And that was with 100 more attempts.  Herbert is very, very good.  Burrow is elite.  

(01-13-2022, 07:46 PM)Chip Smallwood Wrote: Do we have people that would take Herbert over Burrow here?

Nerds.