(02-14-2022, 12:40 AM)Bengalstripes9 Wrote: If Boyd caught that ball he’s tackled short of the 1st. We punt after burning 30 seconds. We ended up needing those 30 seconds in an attempt to drive down the field late. No harm no foul.

Boyd is a valuable player. He needs more targets. Improve the oline and we’ll be so much better next year. Burrow will get better too. He’s not done developing. Lots of players are going to keep improving.

(02-14-2022, 02:31 AM)Whatever Wrote: Boyd has an $8.25 mil salary next year, but cutting him causes $2.8 mil in signing bonus to accelerate, leaving you with only about $5.5 mil in actual cap savings.  Look at what a lot of comparable guys signed for last year.  Emmanuel Sanders and AJ Green got $6 mil.  Sammy Watkins got $5 mil.  OBJ is an extreme outlier because he was cut mid-season.  It's a zero sum move.  

(02-14-2022, 02:38 AM)thompson19osu Wrote: Wrong. His momentum would have carried for the first. I would agree with OP imfoe simple fact to upgrade o-line by any means necessary.

(02-14-2022, 02:36 AM)Roland Wrote: This is dumb.  The last thing we need is to go back to the days when we didn't have enough receiving threats.  Yeah, let's just have two and when one of them goes down we're screwed.  Those were the days.

Boyd's catches were more limited by Burrows time in pocket than by his own ability.  Give Burrow a tick more and we've got three 1000 yard receivers. There is plenty of cap space to improve the Oline without cutting major contributors.

I'm going to call this this your "Let's go Brandon" strategy since you're obviously pining for another Brandon Tate or Brandon LaFell.  

(02-14-2022, 02:43 AM)Bengalstripes9 Wrote: Lol. Watch the play again. He was two yards short. The defender was an inch away from clobbering him. I’d give him a 10 percent chance of getting a 1st. Most likely comes up a yard short.

(02-14-2022, 02:46 AM)casear2727 Wrote: I go with the proven path ala Brady.  Great QB, great protection get a couple go to guys and fill in everywhere else. Joe will eventually take up $40-50M of cap space.

Not sure why you are ok taking the chance with an average line and a $10M slot who is rarely the 3rd option over the best protection possible for Joe with Chase, Higgins and Mixon?

(02-14-2022, 05:03 AM)Roland Wrote: When we have Bill Belichick scouting talent and coaching for us I'll buy into cutting guys who have consistently produced based on a single down year because of a ROTY performance from another guy.  

But I don't think your characterization of Bellichick is accurate.  For many years he tried to stack talent at WR three deep.  That became unnecessary once they had a future first ballot HOFer who was uncoverable down the field at TE.  You got that in your back pocket, too?

The disruption and risk that you're proposing to create at WR is not worth the money you would save. There's dead cap and the cost of someone who is capable of filling that role to consider.   Also, it's unlikely that the market is going to align with our needs in a way that will allow that *maybe* $4M net savings to make a difference.  We're not going to remake the line in one off season.

No, keep the security blanket this coming year.  If they need the money to continue making progress on the OL in 23 then I'd ask him to restructure and extend in a very cap friendly way to have the opportunity to stick with Joe.

(02-14-2022, 01:20 AM)casear2727 Wrote: It's not that hard to draft an olineman..... ?

We had 2 1st round draft busts (not counting Ross) that should be starting veterans today in 2015 and 2018.

We have drafted exactly ONE solid starting olineman in the last 10 years. 
Please tell me how easy it is for us in the draft?

(02-14-2022, 05:32 AM)J24 Wrote: So we should give up a Top 5 player(I consider Slot WR a position in itself ) for nothing? 

Like I said if you want to Trade him for a top 64 pick or significant player. Ok then but releasing him straight up is dumb.

As for the draft I here you on it but what else are going to do? We can't realistically sign 3 top end Offensive Lineman in Free agency. You're going to have to hit on some draft picks eventually.

(02-14-2022, 01:32 AM)casear2727 Wrote: If we have to pay a low priority slot wr to provide guidance and influence to a 3rd yr WR and a 2nd yr ROTY, both with SB experience, we have way more issues than we thought.  These guys have grown up and p-assed TB.

I understand that many will have responses based on emotions but it is time to respond like a winning org that wants to go back to the Super Bowl and make big boy decisions on priorities that protect the Joe & win games.  

I am waiting to hear an argument as to how Tyler's low production (not his ability or likeabilty) is worth $20M the next two years over an elite RT or RG?  I think Joe's knees agree with me.

Patriots cut all pro safety Lawyer Malloy... winning requires intelligent decisions, not emotional ones. 

Just my opinion, but open to hear why I am wrong?

(02-14-2022, 12:44 AM)TheLeonardLeap Wrote: Boyd's money isn't really an issue for now. His contract is up (and he'll be 30) when Chase is eligible for an extension, so they'll just move on from Boyd then.

You won't be able to find anyone as good as him for anywhere near his contract if you get rid of him. Plus then you're just 1 injury away from having only 1 good WR.

Keep Boyd. If you're going to trade anyone, trade Mixon. Only save $3.2m in cap space in 2022, but you save $13m in 2023 when Burrow will be getting an extension. No need for a $13m RB, that's just a bad allocation of resources.

(02-14-2022, 12:30 AM)casear2727 Wrote: I mentioned this last week sometime with a couple posters in agreement...

Boyd is way over paid at WR3.   $10.1M this coming season and $10.3M next. Trade for value now or let go and spend, spend, spend on Oline.

We dont need a superstar slot with Chase, Higgins and Joe.  Especially one not producing at a high level.

Dropping an 8yd pass on a crucial 3rd down in the SB simply adds to my suggestion a week ago.

I know it was his only drop, but he hasnt carried us anymore than a solid RG would have this season. Lets not make the same mistake 2 more years.  Pull a Belicheck and move on from high dollar guys that dont produce to their pay level.

I know many will disagree, but keep in mind, this was my suggestion a week ago.

(02-14-2022, 12:39 AM)casear2727 Wrote: Does it matter? Look how many targets he gets vs Kupp?  We dont need a $10M slot. We need $10M oline.  

Respectfully, please provide me your argument on spending $20M on TB the next 2 years instead of an excellent RG or RT?  

(02-14-2022, 11:22 AM)Au165 Wrote: Just to kind of put a rest to this, we don't need the money from Boyd's contract by the way to make improvements, but if we did there are financial tools available to keep Boyd and get the money from his deal. We could for instance "extend" him by adding an extra year to his contract and converting his base salary to signing bonus then use a voidable year for the 3rd year. If we did this for example we could take his cap hit for next year down to as low as 3 or 4 Million.

The other option is we could flat out extend him an extra 2 years, because honestly he won't be that old when this contract ends, and just tie more of his backend salary to roster bonuses but use a similar signing bonus structure to save money next year.

(02-14-2022, 11:49 AM)Whatever Wrote: If we really needed some space, they could just convert his '22 salary into signing bonus money minus league minimum salary.  The only key geuys we have coming up in '23 are Bell, Pratt, and Hopkins and none of them are going to be expensive to keep or replace with a similar caliber player.