(03-26-2022, 12:20 AM)Bengalstripes9 Wrote: There are games where he has failed to attack the defense’s weakness—like the bears game for instance. There are also crucial situations like in the super bowl where he calls predictable plays that get blown up. He has a tendency to run his offense no matter who he’s playing against—without changing the game plan to cater to the specific opponent’s strengths and weaknesses. Yes the oline makes it very difficult because you don’t want burrow to get killed back there, and it’s hard to muster up a run game. But the major area I think he should improve is predictability. it’s easy to tell a pass from a run by formation alone. He needs to do a better job of attacking the weakness and keeping the defense off balance. It makes it incredibly hard to defend an offense when you think they are doing one thing and they do the opposite. Also every pass play should have a shallow route like a slant or cross as a quick outlet in case of pressure.

Don’t get me wrong, we definitely improved and had a good year. Taylor showed signs of improving as a coach for sure. But there are definitely areas he can improve on. I think the oline improving and the overall talent on offense should make his job easy this year.

Burrow can improve as well and I think he will behind an improved oline. I thought this year he didn’t go through his progressions as quickly and didn’t see open receivers—sometimes staring down his hot receivers and missing the wide open back. With more time to throw and more experience I think he will be much sharper.

(03-25-2022, 02:14 PM)3wt Wrote: Just a good post overall.

The coaching staff grew as the season went along and used what they had better.  It is amazing what they (especially Joe - but coaching as well) were able to do with that offensive line.   I also like your comment on using "analytics without being stupid"  They do indeed point in the right direction

And the fact that they beat teams that they had beat before (Baltimore, Pittsburgh, Las Vegas and Kansas City) was extraordinary.   I think they had planned adjustments for the 2nd half which they did not reveal in the first half.   If I'm their competition I'm doing the same back.  So I feel they are going to have to have a planned adjustment to that as well as showing an ability to do better with rapid in-game adjustments.

I hope they do a great job of analyzing what they did wrong and coming up with non-obvious adjustments.

It seems that they've grown in their roles - both as being given more control over personnel and coaching logistics.   If they can really improve on the latter I think we could have a great year.

(03-26-2022, 10:51 AM)Soonerpeace Wrote: So the areas Taylor needs to improve on. Of course he could improve. Andy Reid lost 2 games to Zac. Mike Tomlin lost 2 games to Zac. John Harbaugh lost 2 games to Zac. Don’t doubt they had some limitations.

They scored 41 points on the Ravens TWICE. Taylor’s predictability got him two major wins with strong second halves vs KC. On the road against Tenn in the playoffs with little time called some great pass plays to set up the winning field goal. His resume is what it is. 3-1 in his first playoff ever as a head coach and OC. I’ll take it predictability or not LOL. I’ll take clutch over predictability any time. How he called when it counted was pretty darn good.

(03-25-2022, 12:12 PM)Yogo Wrote: I feel like we are an exact mirror of the Steelers.  Zac and Tomlin are not the best tacticians, but they are inspirational and well liked.  Duke and Colbert were good at drafting certain positions and horrible at others (we sucked at drafting OL, they suck at drafting DBs).  But overall, they built talented very rosters.  Steeler fans sometimes say that it's Tomlin's assistants that make them look good more so than the coach, except for last year.  So I guess we both have winning teams mostly due to average coaches, surrounded by good assistant, and amazing GMs.

(03-26-2022, 12:20 AM)Bengalstripes9 Wrote: There are games where he has failed to attack the defense’s weakness—like the bears game for instance. There are also crucial situations like in the super bowl where he calls predictable plays that get blown up. He has a tendency to run his offense no matter who he’s playing against—without changing the game plan to cater to the specific opponent’s strengths and weaknesses. Yes the oline makes it very difficult because you don’t want burrow to get killed back there, and it’s hard to muster up a run game. But the major area I think he should improve is predictability. it’s easy to tell a pass from a run by formation alone. He needs to do a better job of attacking the weakness and keeping the defense off balance. It makes it incredibly hard to defend an offense when you think they are doing one thing and they do the opposite. Also every pass play should have a shallow route like a slant or cross as a quick outlet in case of pressure.

Don’t get me wrong, we definitely improved and had a good year. Taylor showed signs of improving as a coach for sure. But there are definitely areas he can improve on. I think the oline improving and the overall talent on offense should make his job easy this year.

Burrow can improve as well and I think he will behind an improved oline. I thought this year he didn’t go through his progressions as quickly and didn’t see open receivers—sometimes staring down his hot receivers and missing the wide open back. With more time to throw and more experience I think he will be much sharper.

(03-26-2022, 12:20 AM)Bengalstripes9 Wrote:  But the major area I think he should improve is predictability. it’s easy to tell a pass from a run by formation alone. 

(03-27-2022, 11:46 AM)fredtoast Wrote: Can we please stop with this.

Other coaches get hired away from Super Bowl staffs all the time and no one any place else tries to act like those coaches did not have time to draft players or look at free agents.  In fact many of them are able to make huge improvements in their first year despite not getting started until after the Super Bowl.

(03-27-2022, 12:11 PM)SHRacerX Wrote: That was in reference to Burrow

(03-27-2022, 11:50 AM)fredtoast Wrote: How?

We line up in the shotgun with 1 RB most of the time and both run and pass out of that formation.

How can you tell if we are going to run or pass based on formation alone?

(03-28-2022, 08:03 PM)Nepa Wrote: Do the Bengals have a minority offensive assistant coach? That is the new requirement for the 2022 season, either "a female or a member of an ethnic or racial minority." I don't usually look at ethnic or racial status, so I don't know.

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/33617341/nfl-says-all-teams-add-minority-offensive-coach-expands-rooney-rule-include-women

(03-29-2022, 10:51 AM)Soonerpeace Wrote: Troy Walters receivers coach

(03-27-2022, 02:39 AM)Wyche Wrote: If the offensive line moves work, it should be downright scary for teams. I think that's why you saw the AFC make big moves. They saw what we did with a very porous line that has been bad for six years.

(03-27-2022, 05:47 PM)Bengalstripes9 Wrote: I can’t point to specifics as I’m not about to rewatch a bunch of games to make my point. But a good example is 3rd and short where we come out run heavy and you can tell they are running it and it gets stuffed. This happened a lot this year. Our short yardage offense was terrible. Now a better oline would help. But not being so obvious with what we are doing would as well. I think you made a thread about how we could be so much more successful passing on 3rd and short. Sometimes just coming out with a formation that tells you nothing in terms of tendency averages is the best way to keep the defense guessing. We tend to either run empty shotgun on a pass or heavy when we run. Need to get more creative. If teams know what’s coming it’s a little easier on them. If they don’t we’re that much tougher to beat.

(03-29-2022, 03:56 PM)Soonerpeace Wrote: The Bengals come out in 13 personnel and run heavy sets on short yardage. The best is SF. Don’t tell Kyle Shanahan that he shouldn’t use it in short yardage and it’s predictable he’s liable to send you to the funny farm or send you to room with Randle McMurphy.

(03-29-2022, 04:41 PM)Bengalstripes9 Wrote: Amazing what a good offensive line and great blocking can do for you. I'd love to have a run offense like SF has had the past couple years.

I'm not saying you can't be predictable at times. If you can line up against an opponent and they know what's coming and still can't stop it, that's huge. But when you don't have the blocking to back it up and you make obvious run calls that go nowhere, maybe it's time to mix it up a little bit. The same goes for obvious pass situations and the opponent knows to throw everything into their pass rush. It's certainly an area we can improve on. 

Even if we are to the point with our offense that we can drop back in shotgun and get the blocking we need to dissect a defense and win on virtually every play, I would still like to see us mix it up a good amount of the time (maybe half the time) with formations where we can be doing multiple things from that formation. Doing so just makes it easier for your players to win one on one battles.

(03-26-2022, 12:38 PM)SHRacerX Wrote: Thanks, man.  This line you wrote highlights something I keep saying about Joe Burrow and this team:  When he gets a second shot at someone.  He didn't really get that much in year 1 because of the injury, but year 2...just as he was in college, he was undefeated in rematches.  If you think about it, this upcoming year isn't really his third year, but year 2.5.  He has just shown such a dramatic improvement from year one to year two, and throughout the season of year two...it is just beyond exciting to think of what he can do this year with the weapons and improved line.

(04-08-2022, 10:46 AM)3wt Wrote: I've never been so excited as a fan.   I feel like we had a fully fleshed out head on skeletal frame work - OK with a few fully formed elements of the core and extremities  (WRs, RB and Defense).

And I give the FO and coaching an A for fleshing things out in the off season.  If they have a good draft - and I feel we need to in this conference - the sky is within reach.