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RE: This defense is the real deal - EatonFan - 09-12-2022
(09-11-2022, 06:19 PM)Rattler Wrote: Punt to the Stoolers with 17 seconds on the play clock with the game clock running in OT...
ZT has the same game management as marvin lewis...
17 seconds and take the 5 yard penalty. How hard is that to figure out. 99% chance of a tie -- at least it would have been something. Unbelievably stupid coaching decision.
I know we went to the SB, but ZT needs to be replaced. There I said it. I've thought this for three years. I'm not convinced he's 'the guy'. We have the talent, but the coaching is awful.
RE: This defense is the real deal - THE PISTONS - 09-12-2022
(09-12-2022, 09:15 AM)Wyche Wrote: As it should be, he's the ST coordinator. A lot of people don't understand the workings of the hierarchy of a coaching staff and how things operate on game days. You can tell a lot of them have never been on the field playing the sport.
Yes. Honestly, the HC gets a lot of the blame, but having good coordinators is huge. Now here, Zac calls the plays so the offense is a lot more on him. But, also...it sounds like Burrow may be changing a lot of plays at the line based on the defense.
Baseball is the funniest sport. I'm a Dodgers fan and they are winning almost 70% of their games. But, they put in a pitcher and he gives up a HR and fans want the manager fired. Like the manager knew that would happen! Or had any control over it.
RE: This defense is the real deal - XenoMorph - 09-12-2022
(09-11-2022, 06:19 PM)Rattler Wrote: Punt to the Stoolers with 17 seconds on the play clock with the game clock running in OT...
ZT has the same game management as marvin lewis...
Nah ZT isnt close to being able to manage a game yet...
RE: This defense is the real deal - THE PISTONS - 09-12-2022
(09-12-2022, 09:37 AM)XenoMorph Wrote: Nah ZT isnt close to being able to manage a game yet...
But, he installed a clock at the practice field!
RE: This defense is the real deal - Wyche'sWarrior - 09-12-2022
(09-12-2022, 09:34 AM)THE PISTONS Wrote: Yes. Honestly, the HC gets a lot of the blame, but having good coordinators is huge. Now here, Zac calls the plays so the offense is a lot more on him. But, also...it sounds like Burrow may be changing a lot of plays at the line based on the defense.
Baseball is the funniest sport. I'm a Dodgers fan and they are winning almost 70% of their games. But, they put in a pitcher and he gives up a HR and fans want the manager fired. Like the manager knew that would happen! Or had any control over it.
Truth. I'm certainly not saying Zac is infallible, far from it. He's a young coach up and coming. But it absolutely boggles the mind to watch people trip all over themselves to blame anyone but QB9. You know as well as I do, if that was Palmer or Dalton, there'd be multiple threads about them costing us the game and how we should be getting rid of them. It's downright fascinating to watch, honestly.
RE: This defense is the real deal - THE PISTONS - 09-12-2022
(09-12-2022, 10:09 AM)Wyche Wrote: Truth. I'm certainly not saying Zac is infallible, far from it. He's a young coach up and coming. But it absolutely boggles the mind to watch people trip all over themselves to blame anyone but QB9. You know as well as I do, if that was Palmer or Dalton, there'd be multiple threads about them costing us the game and how we should be getting rid of them. It's downright fascinating to watch, honestly.
Burrow is still in the honeymoon phase. Zac took his honeymoon phase and went 2-14.
RE: This defense is the real deal - Wyche'sWarrior - 09-12-2022
(09-12-2022, 10:11 AM)THE PISTONS Wrote: Burrow is still in the honeymoon phase. Zac took his honeymoon phase and went 2-14.
Lmao, fair point!!!!!!
RE: This defense is the real deal - fredtoast - 09-12-2022
(09-12-2022, 10:09 AM)Wyche Wrote: if that was Palmer or Dalton, there'd be multiple threads about them costing us the game and how we should be getting rid of them. It's downright fascinating to watch, honestly.
Right, and if this had happened with Marvin as HC NO ONE would blame his "clock management".
If nothing else Zac should be criticized for not using his magic "winning mentality" that won all those games for us last year. I wnder why he didn't break it out today?
RE: This defense is the real deal - Wyche'sWarrior - 09-12-2022
(09-12-2022, 10:24 AM)fredtoast Wrote: Right, and if this had happened with Marvin as HC NO ONE would blame his "clock management".
If nothing else Zac should be criticized for not using his magic "winning mentality" that won all those games for us last year. I wnder why he didn't break it out today?
I don't see clock management as a problem. I wouldn't have blamed Marvin yesterday either. Did Marvin get blamed for Andy's 2.0 game? No. Did Marvin get blamed when Palmer threw pick sixes? No. Yet somehow, here in 2022, it's somehow the HCs fault when a guy throws a pick six and has five turnovers. You can't make this shit up.
I will say it seems like Zac and McVay made the wrong call about the preseason. Both offenses were flat. I could put some of yesterday on that aspect of things. But no sane person without an agenda is looking anywhere besides -5 in the turnover battle. It's been over twenty years since a team won a game with that stat.
RE: This defense is the real deal - fredtoast - 09-12-2022
(09-12-2022, 10:33 AM)Wyche Wrote: I don't see clock management as a problem. I wouldn't have blamed Marvin yesterday either. Did Marvin get blamed for Andy's 2.0 game? No. Did Marvin get blamed when Palmer threw pick sixes? No. Yet somehow, here in 2022, it's somehow the HCs fault when a guy throws a pick six and has five turnovers. You can't make this shit up.
Here is the big point you are missing. Pretty much everyone who complains about Zac's poor decision also criticizes Burrow's bad game.
What you can't "make up" is people ignoring Zac's horrible decision that led to our loss.
If Burrows poor play in regulation was the only reason we lost then why was Zac on the sidelines during overtime? Based on your logic it was impossible for us to win at that point.
RE: This defense is the real deal - TheFan - 09-12-2022
(09-12-2022, 10:33 AM)Wyche Wrote: I don't see clock management as a problem. I wouldn't have blamed Marvin yesterday either. Did Marvin get blamed for Andy's 2.0 game? No. Did Marvin get blamed when Palmer threw pick sixes? No. Yet somehow, here in 2022, it's somehow the HCs fault when a guy throws a pick six and has five turnovers. You can't make this shit up.
I will say it seems like Zac and McVay made the wrong call about the preseason. Both offenses were flat. I could put some of yesterday on that aspect of things. But no sane person without an agenda is looking anywhere besides -5 in the turnover battle. It's been over twenty years since a team won a game with that stat.
Putting blame on Taylor doesn't mean people aren't also putting blame on Burrow (I'm sure some people aren't but they're the minority)
They both performed awfully and both were a big part of the loss.
The only thing that didn't cost us a loss was the defense. Which has been the trend for 5 games now and concerning. The defense continues to play great but like Fred said, we had very poor pass rush against an Oline as bad as ours.
RE: This defense is the real deal - Wyche'sWarrior - 09-12-2022
(09-12-2022, 10:40 AM)fredtoast Wrote: Here is the big point you are missing. Pretty much everyone who complains about Zac's poor decision also criticizes Burrow's bad game.
What you can't "make up" is people ignoring Zac's horrible decision that led to our loss.
If Burrows poor play in regulation was the only reason we lost then why was Zac on the sidelines during overtime? Based on your logic it was impossible for us to win at that point.
You really need to catch up your reading some. There are several claiming exactly that. That's why I bombarded them over it.
One or two mistakes versus five. It's simple math. Yes, he could've handled OT better, yes, he should've challenged the TD after seeing the angle Nico posted. Yes, he should've played some starters in the preseason after watching that yesterday. Yes he wouldn't have had the opportunity to screw up if the QB played better.
The biggest reason we lost yesterday is -5 in the turnover game. There's really no reason around that.
RE: This defense is the real deal - XenoMorph - 09-12-2022
(09-12-2022, 10:47 AM)Wyche Wrote: You really need to catch up your reading some. There are several claiming exactly that. That's why I bombarded them over it.
One or two mistakes versus five. It's simple math. Yes, he could've handled OT better, yes, he should've challenged the TD after seeing the angle Nico posted. Yes, he should've played some starters in the preseason after watching that yesterday. Yes he wouldn't have had the opportunity to screw up if the QB played better.
The biggest reason we lost yesterday is -5 in the turnover game. There's really no reason around that.
Need an Offensive Coordinator.... But yeah Burrow cant be doing that shit.
RE: This defense is the real deal - Wyche'sWarrior - 09-12-2022
(09-12-2022, 10:44 AM)TheFan Wrote: Putting blame on Taylor doesn't mean people aren't also putting blame on Burrow (I'm sure some people aren't but they're the minority)
They both performed awfully and both were a big part of the loss.
The only thing that didn't cost us a loss was the defense. Which has been the trend for 5 games now and concerning. The defense continues to play great but like Fred said, we had very poor pass rush against an Oline as bad as ours.
Agree with all of this. Those people that are the minority you're discussing? Those are the people I am talking to. A lot of them were the same ones always blaming the QB in seasons past. It's quite fascinating to watch.
RE: This defense is the real deal - Wyche'sWarrior - 09-12-2022
(09-12-2022, 10:49 AM)XenoMorph Wrote: Need an Offensive Coordinator.... But yeah Burrow cant be doing that shit.
Maybe Callahan should get more responsibility.
RE: This defense is the real deal - Soonerpeace - 09-12-2022
(09-12-2022, 09:15 AM)WychesWarrior Wrote: As it should be, he's the ST coordinator. A lot of people don't understand the workings of the hierarchy of a coaching staff and how things operate on game days. You can tell a lot of them have never been on the field playing the sport.
Certainly there’s blame to go all around but Zac bears no more than a few players and other coaches
RE: This defense is the real deal - Soonerpeace - 09-12-2022
(09-12-2022, 10:47 AM)WychesWarrior Wrote: You really need to catch up your reading some. There are several claiming exactly that. That's why I bombarded them over it.
One or two mistakes versus five. It's simple math. Yes, he could've handled OT better, yes, he should've challenged the TD after seeing the angle Nico posted. Yes, he should've played some starters in the preseason after watching that yesterday. Yes he wouldn't have had the opportunity to screw up if the QB played better.
The biggest reason we lost yesterday is -5 in the turnover game. There's really no reason around that.
Excellent post
RE: This defense is the real deal - Wyche'sWarrior - 09-12-2022
(09-12-2022, 11:05 AM)Soonerpeace Wrote: Certainly there’s blame to go all around but Zac bears no more than a few players and other coaches
Absolutely my point. He had a hand in it for sure.
RE: This defense is the real deal - THE PISTONS - 09-12-2022
On the last drive, Hubbard jumps offside and has a clear run at the QB and misses him. Trubisky throws one to Johnson for a decent gain on a free play.
Stuff like that hurt us.
Hubbard was also behind Trubisky on another play. Mitch holding the ball in one hand. Hubbard went for the strip and didn't get it.
RE: This defense is the real deal - impactplaya - 09-12-2022
I was disappointed in Our DEs being unable
To really generate a pass rush yesterday
To me the Steelers DEs were a huge difference
In the game. TJ Watt alone was responsible for
A indirect Hand in the Steelers 16 pts on offense.
Hubbard and Hendrickson were stout vs the runs
But you have to get a QB off his platform
I didn't see Ossai make any plays either