(09-19-2022, 01:06 PM)Joelist Wrote: There are overlapping issues. Some are Burrow who for some weird reason is not displaying pocket awareness. Some on the linemen who are making lots of mental mistakes - they aren't getting physically beat it is mental things like missing the extra rusher and failing to pick stunts up. And a LOT is on the design of the offense as follows:

1) The playbook appears to have no cover 2 beaters DESPITE such pass concepts being decades old and proven effective. When we finally did a couple of quick slants to Chase I almost died of shock.

2) The offense is way too vanilla and way too easy for defenses to pickup the run/pass element. Sunday we passed exactly one time with Burrow under Center - every other play was a run. Likewise on Shotgun the lean was HEAVILY towards pass. Giving the play away like this REALLY makes the job of the line harder and of the defense easier. We need a pro style offense that both runs and passes out of the same base formations.

(09-19-2022, 01:55 PM)ochocincos Wrote: My theory - the offense got bailed out heavily from a few big plays last year to win some games they probably wouldn't have otherwise.
Taylor still looks like the same playcaller he was in 2019-2020.
The OL is just as bad as, if not worse than, the previous few years.

You also can't expect the offense perform well when the QB and the OL didn't really play together at all before the start of the season.

(09-19-2022, 10:13 AM)WeezyBengal Wrote: I think the way Burrow looks is more concerning than the OL itself. Joe looks terrible. He's dropping his eyes, not looking downfield, not going through progressions, etc...even when he has a clean pocket.

Dude is broken right now. Its really sad to see tbh.

(09-19-2022, 11:34 AM)2MinutesHate Wrote: I'm not sure what's exactly wrong with this team, but I think I found a clue while on Reddit.  4 lineman blocking 1 guy and Micah running free?  Not good.

(Sorry if this has been posted already)

(09-19-2022, 01:56 PM)THE PISTONS Wrote: Yep. Last year was all Burrow and Chase. This year...teams are taking that away.

Taylor is still a bad playcaller. But he rooked the Browns into paying him $40 million.

(09-19-2022, 02:09 PM)kronadon Wrote: i had a conversation this morning where i had to admit I'm getting some klingler vibes out of Burrow. I'm not saying burrow is washed up or he is no good. what i see is Burrow is first reading the oline, then the receivers. In my opinion he is holding the ball too long, and he is not making the correct reads. its a mix between running for his life and seeing ghosts.

It does not help the play calling has been hot garbage either. my PTSD from Bratkowski is flaring up.

(09-19-2022, 10:34 AM)WeezyBengal Wrote: I get why they are running the ball. They are trying to get teams out of the two high safety looks. 

The problem is that they can't run the ball. They need to find a way to run the ball and have success on short intermediate passing. That will take teams out of the two high looks. 

(09-19-2022, 01:51 PM)THE PISTONS Wrote: Pundits before the draft: The Bengals will ruin Joe's career! Sucks for him to go there.

Year 1: Major knee injury. Got sacked a bunch.
Year 2: Got sacked a huge amount.
Year 3: Looks totally rattled in the pocket. Looks totally broken. Although it's early.

(09-19-2022, 10:13 AM)WeezyBengal Wrote: I think the way Burrow looks is more concerning than the OL itself. Joe looks terrible. He's dropping his eyes, not looking downfield, not going through progressions, etc...even when he has a clean pocket.

Dude is broken right now. Its really sad to see tbh.

(09-19-2022, 02:34 PM)Soonerpeace Wrote: Rooked the Browns? Seriously?

(09-19-2022, 10:35 AM)HarleyDog Wrote: It's troublesome for sure. Looks like he lacks confidence which is not like him. His first throw to start the season was a pick-6. Not a great way to start but has to shake that shit off. If that's not it then something else seems to be holding him back. I'm not confident he plays well against the Jets next week but if he does, I will know I'm full of crap.

(09-19-2022, 03:23 PM)PhilHos Wrote: Yeah, apparently Taylor tried so hard to scam Mike Brown, he almost Bialystock and Bloomed his way to a Super Bowl victory.

(09-19-2022, 11:52 AM)Au165 Wrote: I’ll give my ”football guy” take.

The reason they are running so much early is because teams are giving us two high looks. Essentially this means that the safeties are for the most part out of the run game and you should have an advantage in the box for blocking. Teams are doing this because it’s letting them take the deep game away and requires us to run well and be patient which we have have proven to be neither. This is the exact same thing the Chiefs experienced last year and struggled with early in the season.

The blocking issues are a combination of poor communication, for example the no attempt on Parsons where Collins blocked down instead of out appeared to be that he didn’t get the call. Bengals had moved Sample down on an “Ali” check which means he’d take the first double mug defender and punch them in the mouth allowing the others to fan outward. I don’t know how loud it was in there but there were multiple times you could see Joe talking to a lineman and pointing at his ears as to say “listen”.

The bigger issue is they know teams are giving them variations of cover 2 but haven’t done anything to attack cover two. Last week we went with a smash concept to open the game and it got picked, but the concept was right it was just a great play by Fitzpatrick. We went back to it only once by my count this week and it did work. Additionally they need to run more clear outs, the short middle is open and we see Chase have success with the slants but why we go away from it I have no clue. If they’d set Hurst inside and run a streak to carry the middle defender it would be even more open for running after the catch.

Bottom line there are issues all over the offense. They almost need to scrap the whole thing and start over but that’s a tough thing to do in season.

Side note: thought I posted this an hour ago and just noticed it not posted so apologies if most of this has been hashed out now.

(09-19-2022, 11:40 AM)Sled21 Wrote: What Joe said....

(09-19-2022, 11:52 AM)Au165 Wrote: I’ll give my ”football guy” take.

The reason they are running so much early is because teams are giving us two high looks. Essentially this means that the safeties are for the most part out of the run game and you should have an advantage in the box for blocking. Teams are doing this because it’s letting them take the deep game away and requires us to run well and be patient which we have have proven to be neither. This is the exact same thing the Chiefs experienced last year and struggled with early in the season.

The blocking issues are a combination of poor communication, for example the no attempt on Parsons where Collins blocked down instead of out appeared to be that he didn’t get the call. Bengals had moved Sample down on an “Ali” check which means he’d take the first double mug defender and punch them in the mouth allowing the others to fan outward. I don’t know how loud it was in there but there were multiple times you could see Joe talking to a lineman and pointing at his ears as to say “listen”.

The bigger issue is they know teams are giving them variations of cover 2 but haven’t done anything to attack cover two. Last week we went with a smash concept to open the game and it got picked, but the concept was right it was just a great play by Fitzpatrick. We went back to it only once by my count this week and it did work. Additionally they need to run more clear outs, the short middle is open and we see Chase have success with the slants but why we go away from it I have no clue. If they’d set Hurst inside and run a streak to carry the middle defender it would be even more open for running after the catch.

Bottom line there are issues all over the offense. They almost need to scrap the whole thing and start over but that’s a tough thing to do in season.

Side note: thought I posted this an hour ago and just noticed it not posted so apologies if most of this has been hashed out now.

(09-19-2022, 06:19 PM)THE PISTONS Wrote: There are soo many ways to beat Cover 2. It's like a basic defense.

Zac is in Year 4! He's an offensive guru supposedly.

(09-20-2022, 06:37 PM)Bengalfan4life27c Wrote: We have lost 2 close games not the time to abandon ship. especially with the number of starters that missed extended time in Training camp. Burrow, Tee, Cappa , Lael, Logan and Bates