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RE: Taylor/Callahan route tree - Nicomo Cosca - 10-12-2022
(10-12-2022, 11:24 AM)PhilHos Wrote: That's my point. People are criticizing the lack of creativity on Chase routes and I'm just saying, let's look at ALL of his routes before making that determination.
If someone can find more out there by all means share it. I just saw this and thought it was pretty indicative of what we’ve been seeing on a whole, so I posted it.
RE: Taylor/Callahan route tree - MileHighGrowler - 10-12-2022
(10-12-2022, 11:21 AM)Nicomo Cosca Wrote: Well yeah, this is just his targets I assume. Which includes incompletions.
It’s only the Ravens game.
That makes more sense. Not sure why I thought it was overall. But that's still a very limited part of the story. I don't like it, but it's not the whole story and it's hard to make judgement just off this.
RE: Taylor/Callahan route tree - bengalfan74 - 10-12-2022
(10-12-2022, 11:24 AM)PhilHos Wrote: That's my point. People are criticizing the lack of creativity on Chase routes and I'm just saying, let's look at ALL of his routes before making that determination.
Burrow was 24-35 in that game. And if you look at Burrow's pass chart it mirrors Chase's route chart, as has been said.
To me the issue is why are we not attacking downfield more? Middle of the field more? There's like 5 or perhaps 6 targets in the middle. There's only one attempt over 20 yards and only like 3 or 4 past 15.
The lion's share is all 5 yards downfield or less. And you can't blame that on the Oline, their could not even be an Oline and you can throw those short passes.
You don't have to have 5 seconds to throw 20 yard passes. I think the Oline excuse is overblown !!
The problem is play design/game plan/play calling. Or JB has issues.
RE: Taylor/Callahan route tree - PhilHos - 10-12-2022
(10-12-2022, 11:40 AM)bengalfan74 Wrote: Burrow was 24-35 in that game. And if you look at Burrow's pass chart it mirrors Chase's route chart, as has been said.
To me the issue is why are we not attacking downfield more? Middle of the field more? There's like 5 or perhaps 6 targets in the middle. There's only one attempt over 20 yards and only like 3 or 4 past 15.
The lion's share is all 5 yards downfield or less. And you can't blame that on the Oline, their could not even be an Oline and you can throw those short passes.
You don't have to have 5 seconds to throw 20 yard passes. I think the Oline excuse is overblown !!
The problem is play design/game plan/play calling. Or JB has issues.
My question is more like, if running the ball is the biggest counteract to Cover 2 and we figured out how to run the ball well against the Ravens, why were we not leaning on the run more. Part of me honestly thinks the coaching staff wasn't expecting the run game to work and that's what messed them up so much. lol
RE: Taylor/Callahan route tree - Sled21 - 10-12-2022
(10-12-2022, 10:03 AM)Tony Wrote: You really Love you some Zac, huh? Like he don't have any input on the plays drawn up..What's the point of calling someone else's playbook anyway? That don't make much sense..
You act like he slept with your wife or something.... your hatred is over the top.
RE: Taylor/Callahan route tree - PhilHos - 10-12-2022
(10-12-2022, 11:48 AM)Sled21 Wrote: You act like he slept with your wife or something.... your hatred is over the top.
Who was the guy in Smack Talk that was obsessed with hating Jake Delhomme? Reminds me of that guy.
RE: Taylor/Callahan route tree - WeezyBengal - 10-12-2022
(10-12-2022, 11:43 AM)PhilHos Wrote: My question is more like, if running the ball is the biggest counteract to Cover 2 and we figured out how to run the ball well against the Ravens, why were we not leaning on the run more. Part of me honestly thinks the coaching staff wasn't expecting the run game to work and that's what messed them up so much. lol
I feel like they are going to run the **** out of the ball in shotgun against the Saints (or at least they should).
RE: Taylor/Callahan route tree - bengalfan74 - 10-12-2022
(10-12-2022, 11:43 AM)PhilHos Wrote: My question is more like, if running the ball is the biggest counteract to Cover 2 and we figured out how to run the ball well against the Ravens, why were we not leaning on the run more. Part of me honestly thinks the coaching staff wasn't expecting the run game to work and that's what messed them up so much. lol
I don't disagree and then that falls back on not being able to switch on the fly "in game".
The bottom line to me is this offense has the potential to be a Corvette and it's being driven like a Chevette.
Something has to change, probably several things.
RE: Taylor/Callahan route tree - rfaulk34 - 10-12-2022
(10-12-2022, 11:49 AM)PhilHos Wrote: Who was the guy in Smack Talk that was obsessed with hating Jake Delhomme? Reminds me of that guy.
Good ole Coltsfan. I miss him so...?
RE: Taylor/Callahan route tree - Nicomo Cosca - 10-12-2022
(10-12-2022, 11:51 AM)WeezyBengal Wrote: I feel like they are going to run the **** out of the ball in shotgun against the Saints (or at least they should).
That should definitely be the plan. Don’t need to be passing a ton and give Cam Jordan a chance for a big day. Plus Lattimore will be all over Chase the whole game.
RE: Taylor/Callahan route tree - rfaulk34 - 10-12-2022
(10-12-2022, 11:51 AM)WeezyBengal Wrote: I feel like they are going to run the **** out of the ball in shotgun against the Saints (or at least they should).
If they don't at least ramp up the RPOs, it would be almost criminal.
RE: Chase’s route tree against Baltimore - Nicomo Cosca - 10-12-2022
I updated the thread title to clarify this is only the Ravens game.
RE: Chase’s route tree against Baltimore - bengalfan74 - 10-12-2022
(10-12-2022, 11:55 AM)rfaulk34 Wrote: Good ole Coltsfan. I miss him so...?
I wonder what ever happened to that guy and his 15 favorite teams ?
RE: Chase’s route tree against Baltimore - Tony - 10-12-2022
(10-12-2022, 11:55 AM)Nicomo Cosca Wrote: That should definitely be the plan. Don’t need to be passing a ton and give Cam Jordan a chance for a big day. Plus Lattimore will be all over Chase the whole game.
Justin Jefferson destroyed Lattimore
RE: Chase’s route tree against Baltimore - Nicomo Cosca - 10-12-2022
(10-12-2022, 12:02 PM)Tony Wrote: Justin Jefferson destroyed Lattimore
Justin Jefferson is destroying everyone right now.
RE: Chase’s route tree against Baltimore - Tony - 10-12-2022
(10-12-2022, 12:05 PM)Nicomo Cosca Wrote: Just Jefferson is destroying everyone right now.
Very true....
RE: Chase’s route tree against Baltimore - LSUfaninTN - 10-12-2022
This is embarrassing. While JJ is a probably a better route runner, this is on coaching. Bengals need more motion.
With all the talent the Bengals have, you’d think it’d be an OC dream job. And head coach.
RE: Chase’s route tree against Baltimore - Frank Booth - 10-12-2022
(10-12-2022, 09:21 AM)EatonFan Wrote: I notice JJ's are longer. Could it be that Cousin's has more time than Burrow?
Th Vikings have 2 tackles who are playing very well this year
Bengals? Not so much
RE: Chase’s route tree against Baltimore - Synric - 10-12-2022
You can tell from the charts Minnesota is moving Jefferson around to create mismatch and put the ball in the hands of their playmaker.... Cincinnati isn't.
RE: Chase’s route tree against Baltimore - Frank Booth - 10-12-2022
Bad play design falls on Callahan IMO