(11-18-2022, 10:51 AM)higgy100 Wrote: 100% correct. Tee is a flat-out stud and no doubt a #1. The kid has been fighting an injury all season.Amazing how people watch a guy for a couple games play amazing, love him and talk about how the Bengals offense can't exist without him when Chase was struggling, and then a couple weeks he's not getting big numbers and now they don't need him or he's a solid 2.

He's not an elite #1 (and how many of those really are there? ) like Adams or Jefferson that catch 8-12 balls per game as those teams have entire offenses designed around them but he's plenty effective to be a #1.In fact, I hope to god they don't need to find him 10X a game going forward with all their weapons as it would also mean Mixon is running well, getting carries and they're playing with a lead.

(11-18-2022, 11:27 AM)SHRacerX Wrote: Here are my monsters for the week:  I think these guys literally hate the steelers like so many of us do, and they usually have big games against them:

Sam Hubbard-  WIll help set the edge and get at least one sack.  Hopefully, a sack-fumble. 

Joe Mixon-  I think he liked how last week feel, and I believe the steelers won't challenge the Bengals run game and will stay in two deep.  Make them pay, Joe.

Trey Hendrickson-  Feeds off the energy of the line as a whole, and with Reader and Sam fired up, we might see "Black Out Trey".

Jessie Bates-  The holdout didn't do him many favors, but I could see Jesse trying to make a statement this game.  Much like Fitzpatrick did the first game.  I know Jessie isn't that close-to-the-los guy that Fitz can be, but I could see a pick...or maybe two.

La'El Collins and Alex Kappa.  If o-linemen be elephants, elephants never forget.  I'm sure they remember that week 1 game, and will be looking forward to some of those double team sets where Collins peels off and heads to the next level. 

Hayden Hurst- Not sure why, but cold-weather game screams ginger viking.  Hope he breaks a few big ones. 

(11-18-2022, 05:55 PM)KillerGoose Wrote: Genuine misread on mine and several others part it looks like. You mentioned Boyd being a #2 how no one views him as a #1. Then, you went back to Tee. I must have skipped over that part and just read your final sentence, where you said he can’t take it all the way etc.

I’m assuming that’s what others are doing, too. My bad.

In regards to Tee, it depends. I don't know what you mean by space, but perhaps separation? If so, that's really only relevant when analyzing man coverage. It becomes less important in zone due to how zone coverages operate. However, in regard to YAC...no, not really. Last year, Tee Higgins was 12th in YAC per reception among receivers with 100+ targets. He actually averaged more YAC per catch than Tyreek Hill and Jefferson. He was slightly below Davante Adams. This year he is 24th in the league, but still neck-and-neck with Tyreek Hill. YAC is up across the league, overall. In his rookie season, he was 15th. He has averaged roughly the same YAC/catch each season (4.5, 4.6, 4.1) so we have a pretty good idea of what type of player he will be there. 

Identifying a top guy can be tough but it is really just about production. Guys can be great at beating man coverage but not a top guy, or great at YAC and not be a top guy. Tee was producing like a top guy last season but has taken a dip this year. 

(11-18-2022, 07:07 PM)TheFan Wrote: The only reason I mentioned Boyd is because the poster I was responding to mentioned Boyd. So I responded to that part. The rest of the post was about Higgins. 

Where are you getting those stats from? What I was looking at had him in like the 60s or 70s as far as YAC for the year. I may just be be dumb though and reading it wrong. 

I agree Tee can and has produced, but he did not do that as the #1 receiver. He did that as #2/#3. Teams aren't doubling Tee like they are Chase. I don't think anyone would consider Hunter Renfro a #1 WR but he's a great #2. I think he's still really good.

https://www.nfl.com/stats/player-stats/category/receiving/2021/reg/all/receivingreceptions/desc

(11-18-2022, 07:14 PM)KillerGoose Wrote: Yeah, I realize, I just misread. My bad.

I am getting it from PFF, so may be some difference in YAC figures. Now, I am filtering on targets so that narrows the dataset down. I'm trying to eliminate guys who are low volume players who made a couple big plays. 

(11-18-2022, 01:52 PM)bengalfan74 Wrote: Hasn't Boyd had a couple big games vs. Squeelers ?

(11-17-2022, 04:28 PM)TheFan Wrote: I never thought he was as good as Chase but I agree the debate of it being close to 1a and 1b should be put to rest. Higgins is a top notch #2 but he's done nothing to prove he's a #1 receiver. 

Not sure why someone secretly thumbs down instead of replying to try to prove their point.

(11-17-2022, 04:10 PM)WeezyBengal Wrote: It's crazy...before the season I was on the fence over who to resign...Higgins or Chase.

Now it's not even close. Chase all day. I am not even sure Higgins is a true #1 receiver.

Don't get me wrong, he's great...but I def think he is limited as a receiver.

(11-17-2022, 04:28 PM)TheFan Wrote: I never thought he was as good as Chase but I agree the debate of it being close to 1a and 1b should be put to rest. Higgins is a top notch #2 but he's done nothing to prove he's a #1 receiver. 

Not sure why someone secretly thumbs down instead of replying to try to prove their point.

(11-19-2022, 11:58 AM)Whacked Wrote: Agree to all of the above

Call me crazy but I’d rather have Boyd. More versatile, rarely gets hurt, plays harder, better hands, more clutch.

(11-20-2022, 10:45 PM)masonbengals fan Wrote: Tee hung tough today. Bet he’s sore tomorrow.

(11-20-2022, 10:35 PM)Whacked Wrote: 148 yards for Tee

I’m eating all sorts of crow today

(11-20-2022, 10:45 PM)masonbengals fan Wrote: Tee hung tough today. Bet he’s sore tomorrow.