(01-22-2023, 11:51 PM)Nately120 Wrote: Fair enough.  The real test will come when we see how many captains and proven winners we can get when we are picking in the 30s for the next decade. You have to imagine there will be a high demand for those types of players once our secret is out.

(01-22-2023, 11:56 PM)Dr.Z Wrote: The "real test" has already been taken and passed.   

(01-23-2023, 12:01 AM)Nately120 Wrote: Well, test 1 is winning 1 or more SBs with Burrow on his rookie deal, test 2 will be keeping this team SB-caliber if/when Burrow gets a massive deal.  Burrow making to the SB his first full year as a starter has set a standard.  If I'm giving Burrow too much credit, so be it, but the guy is championship in a bottle.

(01-23-2023, 12:12 AM)Dr.Z Wrote: I can see how this could go on for pages and monopolize this thread, so I'll just end with: I certainly feel like we have unfinished business and want the Super Bowl extremely bad, but to say winning a SB or not legitimizes (or de-legitimizes) the aforementioned plan of Zac's of bringing in team captains/team leaders/players from winning environments is silly imo.   Some of the players fitting that criteria are on the defense (who have pretty much won games for us), and Burrow himself also fits this criteria (altho I would hope anyone would've pulled the proverbial trigger w/ him @ 1).     

Regardless, Who Dey my friend 

(01-22-2023, 11:15 PM)Nately120 Wrote: I guess.  I'm just seeing that Mac Jones is no Brady, and Brock Purdy is no season-ending replacement.  In Andy Reid's defense, in KC he had a bust castoff in Alex Smith and Mahommes was a developmental QB that the Browns, Bears, and Bengals passed on despite having reason to look into him.

Andy Reid made helped Alex Smith look like the 1st round pick the 49ers didn't, and he wisely developed Mahommes into what he is today.  Burrow was just an instant franchise changer 1st overall can't miss pick who was even better than advertised.  But like I said, in 15 years we may actually be watching ZT developing a QB who needs to be developed.

Again, we're at the point where we can become the Steelers of the 70s onward.  Between Marvin and ZT we could actually have a grand total of 2 HCs for like 40 years.

(01-23-2023, 12:17 AM)Wyche Wrote: There were times Purdy was considered a 1st/2nd rounder.

https://walterfootball.com/scoutingreport2022bpurdy.php

The knocks on him were arm strength, not a dual threat, and size. He was considered smart, good decision maker, mastered his offense, accurate, throws receivers open, etc.

I watched the kid play several times at Iowa State, and he was about all they had and the kid had game. I just knew he was small, not a good runner, and little arm strength. You block for him, he's a poor man's Andy Dalton. You can take a less talented guy that is smart and win games with him. Still, SFs staff is very good, for sure. 

(01-23-2023, 12:17 AM)Wyche Wrote: There were times Purdy was considered a 1st/2nd rounder.

https://walterfootball.com/scoutingreport2022bpurdy.php

The knocks on him were arm strength, not a dual threat, and size. He was considered smart, good decision maker, mastered his offense, accurate, throws receivers open, etc.

I watched the kid play several times at Iowa State, and he was about all they had and the kid had game. I just knew he was small, not a good runner, and little arm strength. You block for him, he's a poor man's Andy Dalton. You can take a less talented guy that is smart and win games with him. Still, SFs staff is very good, for sure. 

Also, Joe didn't instantly turn this around. We were hot dogshit his first year even before the injury. Joe Burrow, some good drafting, and good FA, and a staff guys play hard for is what turned this around. I credit Vonn Bell as much as anyone. That was the night it started to turnaround.

(01-23-2023, 12:27 AM)basballguy Wrote: Ok there's no matching thread for this so i'll take Weezy's.....

after 25 years in Dallas I moved to Denver this past fall.  I've grown accustomed to just watching games (in public) around randos but up here I found an actual Bengals bar (Dallas has none) and it had probably the same amount of energy as any bar on the banks.....was jacked to the tits today with Bengals fans watching us roflstomp the Bills.  Super pumped for the title game.  

LFG

(01-23-2023, 12:20 AM)Nately120 Wrote: SF is certainly putting together a bizarrely compelling narrative.  I feel like going into Philly and facing that pass rush and high powered offense should be when he falters, but people have been predicting that he and that team fall to earth every week for months.

(01-23-2023, 12:30 AM)Dr.Z Wrote: Yeah, Purdy was pretty highly regarded at times in the past before his NFL tenure.   I am in a group that scouts prospects before the draft and we compete with money.   Purdy was my favorite late round qb, and since we keep record of our old conversations pre-draft, you better believe I have brought those old messages out from hibernation since he's taken over lol.   (I've been wrong plenty as well, but it's fun when you hit on a player lol).   I was pretty shocked that he went as late as he did.

(01-22-2023, 09:55 PM)Nately120 Wrote: ZT is an enigma.  He's apparently very good, but also managed to get us Burrow and Chase AND he even managed to get an awesome DC in Lou after trying his damndest to hire someone else.

I think ZT is the luckiest coach on earth, but he's making the most of that luck so that's all he can do.  I still maintain that Burrow is such a franchise changing player than it is impossible to judge the actual merit of our offensive coaches as long as he's the starting QB.


ZT stunk like a fox in his first year.  If we keep Marvin 1 year longer we go 4-12 and end up with someone other than Burrow and we're screwed.  This is probably the nicest thing I can say about ZT.  I'm willing to admit he is awesome as long as the Brown family at no point gets lax on this roster thinking he can make up the difference.  Fair?  We needed a HC who was completely in over his  head and took his lumps while stinking it up to the only 1st overall pick that has mattered since Peyton Manning.

(01-23-2023, 12:38 AM)WychesWarrior Wrote: I think they'll handle their business. Their D is tough, Kittle, Debo, CMC alone is a lot of talent. They're well coached, and Purdy is a smart kid if nothing else. If he manages the game well and the defense keeps balling, SF could pull that off. I hope so, I want to beat them in the Super Bowl. Let's exorcise all of those demons.

(01-23-2023, 02:00 AM)jason Wrote: I wanted them last year... They're ballin' right now, and I smell a collision course.

(01-23-2023, 02:00 AM)jason Wrote: I wanted them last year... They're ballin' right now, and I smell a collision course.

(01-22-2023, 09:55 PM)Nately120 Wrote: ZT is an enigma.  He's apparently very good, but also managed to get us Burrow and Chase AND he even managed to get an awesome DC in Lou after trying his damndest to hire someone else.

I think ZT is the luckiest coach on earth, but he's making the most of that luck so that's all he can do.  I still maintain that Burrow is such a franchise changing player than it is impossible to judge the actual merit of our offensive coaches as long as he's the starting QB.


ZT stunk like a fox in his first year.  If we keep Marvin 1 year longer we go 4-12 and end up with someone other than Burrow and we're screwed.  This is probably the nicest thing I can say about ZT.  I'm willing to admit he is awesome as long as the Brown family at no point gets lax on this roster thinking he can make up the difference.  Fair?  We needed a HC who was completely in over his  head and took his lumps while stinking it up to the only 1st overall pick that has mattered since Peyton Manning.