(02-11-2023, 10:20 PM)Frank Booth Wrote: We actually don’t know if Hurst can stretch the field better because everyone’s YPR was down this year other than Mixon and Boyd. It was a short quick passing attack to counter the cover 2

(02-11-2023, 10:38 PM)Synric Wrote: 4 Verts against Cover 2 Man is one of the best cover 2 beaters. The TE seam is the best matchup in that scenario because he has a LB on him and a safety that has to either cover him or the boundary WR running the nine.

(02-11-2023, 10:47 PM)Frank Booth Wrote: It doesn’t take 20/20 vision to see the offense functioned differently in 2022 than it did in 2021.

Last year was big plays and inconsistency. This year was methodical and consistent

(02-11-2023, 10:53 PM)Synric Wrote: You said they were forced underneath because of Cover 2. I was just pointing out there are vertical route combinations that attack cover 2 specifically from the TE. The TE Seam Route vs Cover 2 is a thing especially against man coverage. Deep Drive concepts verticle route over top and a 15 yard drive right behind it.

(02-11-2023, 10:38 PM)Synric Wrote: 4 Verts against Cover 2 Man is one of the best cover 2 beaters. The TE seam is the best matchup in that scenario because he has a LB on him and a safety that has to either cover him or the boundary WR running the nine.

(02-11-2023, 10:56 PM)Frank Booth Wrote: What ever else defenses were running against cincy forced them to throw shorter and limit the explosive plays. That’s all I’m saying.

Without that context, somebody would look at the raw stats and think to themselves, has Jamarr lost his downfield ability? Has Joe Burrow regressed with the deep ball?

No, the bengals offense simply adapted

(02-11-2023, 09:26 PM)Southpaw Frerotte Wrote: Sample is a bum. Lol if the jury is still out on him, why is this even a discussion?

(02-11-2023, 11:14 PM)Synric Wrote: My point is you can still attack cover 2 vertically but it takes more than one deep threat one the same side to put that safety in conflict.

(02-11-2023, 11:21 PM)Housh Wrote: Age is literally the only reason I’m not ready to call him a bust yet. Only 26. Feel like I’d give him one more chance after he recovers from this injury

(02-11-2023, 11:42 PM)Soonerpeace Wrote: The best is one usually the TE down the middle. They’d have done that but it wasn’t the same old Cover 2. It was a Cover 3 a lot of deep cover 2 and man under.

(02-12-2023, 12:53 AM)schroomytunes Wrote: I for one would love to have Hurst back, but not at the expense of not being able to shore up our younger talent in the future. I truly believe we will be drafting one in this years draft, and I actually think our TE room next year will be something like this:

1) Irv Smith-(24) (Vikings)- was replaced by Hockinson, but still managed 91/ 858 9 TD's in 3 years 9.4 avg. He ran a 6.2 40 yd dash and is listed at 6'2 245. I think he signs for under 4 million per year.

2) Luke Schoonmaker - (Michigan) probably our 5th rd pick, fits a #2 TE perfectly in our system at 6'6 250.

3) Mitchell Wilcox- stays at #3 on depth chart.

- I just dont see them putting a high price value at this position, while it can be filled via draft and 2nd tier FA's

(02-12-2023, 12:41 AM)Synric Wrote: Guy saying deep cover 2 means nothing. Playing you're safeties too deep in cover 2 opens holes on the sideline. They only do that in certain prevent situations.

Cover 2 under man is the exact defense you run 4 verts against to put the safety in conflict. Cover 3 its the flats because the outside corner is playing a deep zone.

(02-11-2023, 10:38 PM)Synric Wrote: 4 Verts against Cover 2 Man is one of the best cover 2 beaters. The TE seam is the best matchup in that scenario because he has a LB on him and a safety that has to either cover him or the boundary WR running the nine.

(02-11-2023, 04:39 PM)rfaulk34 Wrote: I don't see why Hurst couldn't exploit that. Is this more an offensive scheme problem? A QB not taking advantage problem? Or does Hurst not have the short area quickness to do the job?

(02-13-2023, 08:44 PM)Nepa Wrote: This site is predicting the Bengals pick as:

28. Cincinnati Bengals: Dalton Kincaid, TE, Utah
Hayden Hurst was a much more valuable part of the Bengals' offense than people realize, but the team can get younger and cheaper by drafting Kincaid. Kincaid was one of college football's best-kept secrets in 2022 and will likely be the same in the 2023 NFL Draft class. He has seen his stock rise recently and the Bengals would be wise to add him to their top-flight passing attack.

https://www.si.com/nfl/cardinals/analysis/post-super-bowl-two-round-nfl-mock-draft

For the second round, they predict:

60. Cincinnati Bengals: Darnell Wright, OT, Tennessee

(02-13-2023, 12:51 AM)Essex Johnson Wrote: He was terrible in avg, one of lowest as a starting TE and did not look effective in middle of field, not worth taking risk with dropping  3 yr 20 plus million if that is what he wants, let him walk like CJ.