(04-28-2023, 12:59 AM)Forever Spinning Vinyl Wrote: Joseph Ossai . . . you just fell down another rung.

(04-28-2023, 01:17 AM)kevin Wrote: This.  Yes, CBS Sports has him listed as the 20 best player in the draft and the Bengals got him well past pick 20.   

I said in our Draft Section, don't be so sure about TE.  Bengals may take Best Available Athlete on the board that falls to them late in Round One 

Also, consider this.  After Bengals reign Burrow, Chase, Higgins, there may not be cap space to resign Hendrickson down the road.  Think of the Draft as also planning for years past 2023.  

A top 20 player fell to Bengals who happens to be a true sized DE, not a tweener at LB.  A top rated DE.  Bengals took him and it could be a real steal considering how late Bengals drafted.  After Super Bowl and then AFC Championship seasons, I'm not going to question Bengals who have been making all the right moves last few years. 

GO BENGALS

(04-28-2023, 01:17 AM)BoomerFan Wrote: Never forget that the Giants won a Superbowl with a rotation of 6 DEs. Build the lines and every player who puts in the work can contribute.

I wonder if a good comparison to Myles Murphy would be Carlos Dunlap? I am just basing that on size though. 

(04-28-2023, 01:21 AM)CarolinaBengalFanGuy Wrote: Sweet Lou is a defensive chameleon. Anything can work....

(04-28-2023, 01:28 AM)Joelist Wrote: I may not be thrilled with the pick but it wasn't a reach. Murphy was a consensus first round pick and some had him Top 20.

I just don't feel he fit our biggest need on defense - INTERIOR pass rush. As to upside, I kinda think he's another Robert Geathers. He'll have one season where he seems to finally become a serious pass rush threat then settle into being mostly a run defender. He just does not give off that "final piece to win the Lombardi" vibe that a first round pick for THIS team should.

(04-28-2023, 01:25 AM)BengalsLUFC Wrote: Don’t know much about him but we needed another pass rusher, was hoping it would be interior but that went out the window early doors.

If Charbonnet is there at 60 tomorrow he has to be the pick then you look for a TE and corner and I think we are set.

Still the Jonah situation to resolve too we could be getting another pick tomorrow.

(04-28-2023, 01:28 AM)Joelist Wrote: I may not be thrilled with the pick but it wasn't a reach. Murphy was a consensus first round pick and some had him Top 20.

I just don't feel he fit our biggest need on defense - INTERIOR pass rush. As to upside, I kinda think he's another Robert Geathers. He'll have one season where he seems to finally become a serious pass rush threat then settle into being mostly a run defender. He just does not give off that "final piece to win the Lombardi" vibe that a first round pick for THIS team should.

(04-28-2023, 01:28 AM)MasonDT70 Wrote: Dunlap was a decent bit bigger if I'm not mistaken. I think he's closer in size to 2 of the players on that giants line you mentioned. Osi and Strahan. 

Quote:The Packers value size and athleticism on the defensive front, and Murphy fits the bill in both areas. The former Tigers star has a twitchy first step as a pass rusher and plays the run with discipline and effort. He’ll be a nice addition to the team’s pass-rush group in 2023 and beyond.


SHADES OF 
MONTEZ SWEAT
BIG, SOUPED-UP PASS RUSHER with excellent length, explosive traits, and a three-down skill set.

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  Pro-Ready Frame
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  Pass-Rush Talent
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  Elite Athleticism
  

SCOUTING REPORT BY DANNY KELLY
Murphy is a tall, long-levered athlete with ideal bulk and a versatile skill set. A former five-star prospect out of Powder Springs, Georgia, he ranked as the top strongside defensive end in the country and the no. 7 player overall. He was a three-year contributor for the Tigers and finished strong in 2022, tallying 6.5 sacks and 11.0 tackles for loss in 13 games. That capped a career in which he notched 17.5 sacks and 36.5 TFLs in 38 games. 
Murphy rushes with an explosive first step, timing the snap well to shoot off the line and immediately threaten the edge. He has the footspeed to threaten the edge and can get low and flatten toward the quarterback. His quick get off helps him convert speed to power, and he has a devastating long-arm stab move where he fires his hand into an opponent’s chest and drives them back into the pocket. Sometimes he seems to almost lift opponents off their feet. He employs a handful of countermoves, including a solid push-pull move and a graceful spin. Against the run, Murphy uses his long arms and quick positioning to stack defenders, force runs back inside, and shed blocks to make the tackle. He’s extremely strong (reportedly bench-presses 405 pounds, power-cleans 335, and deadlifts 505, per Bruce Feldman’s Freaks List) and he always puts in maximum effort on every snap, churning his feet or working his hands until the play is over. 
While Murphy boasts a top-tier get-off, he too often loses steam once contacted by an offensive lineman. He needs to develop more countermoves off his first-step foundation. He tends to overrun the pocket and loses sight of the ball when defending the mesh point.
WHY HE COULD RISE
Murphy has a prototypical blend of size, length, and athleticism; he’s a three-down player with the skill set to start right away.
WHY HE COULD FALL
He needs to expand his rush repertoire and more consistently finish his rushes.

(04-28-2023, 01:29 AM)Bengalbug Wrote: And yet… we chose Murphy.

(04-28-2023, 12:59 AM)Forever Spinning Vinyl Wrote: Joseph Ossai . . . you just fell down another rung.

(04-28-2023, 01:33 AM)BoomerFan Wrote: Yeah I just threw an edit on that post. I realize now that Murphy is closer to Sam Hubbard in size. 

Here's a mock where he went 13th overall:

https://nfldraft.theringer.com/mock-draft

(04-28-2023, 01:17 AM)BoomerFan Wrote: Never forget that the Giants won a Superbowl with a rotation of 6 DEs. Build the lines and every player who puts in the work can contribute.

I wonder if a good comparison to Myles Murphy would be Carlos Dunlap? I am just basing that on size though. 

Edit: Actually he is even closer in size to Sam Hubbard.

(04-28-2023, 01:32 AM)casear2727 Wrote: Not sure why Charbonnet HAS to be the pick?  Quality TEs and CBs are likely to be available at 60.

(04-28-2023, 01:35 AM)CarolinaBengalFanGuy Wrote: I love when someone else says something stupid and then I respond being silly because of the original post, then someone comes along and think I was holding the stupid thought the entire time lol.

(04-28-2023, 01:28 AM)Joelist Wrote: I may not be thrilled with the pick but it wasn't a reach. Murphy was a consensus first round pick and some had him Top 20.

I just don't feel he fit our biggest need on defense - INTERIOR pass rush. As to upside, I kinda think he's another Robert Geathers. He'll have one season where he seems to finally become a serious pass rush threat then settle into being mostly a run defender. He just does not give off that "final piece to win the Lombardi" vibe that a first round pick for THIS team should.

(04-28-2023, 01:27 AM)phil413 Wrote: Nfl.com had him graded as the 11th prospect overall.  Great value.