(09-26-2023, 01:33 PM)QueenCity Wrote: Would love Araiza but doubt the Bengals want to take that PR hit.

That said we have to be able to find a punter that can flip the field while our offense sputters

(09-26-2023, 10:37 PM)C0de_M0nkey Wrote: The Bengals are notorious for giving players a second chance after off the field issues. They took the PR hits on Pacman Jones and Chris Henry even though they were actually convicted of crimes.

(09-26-2023, 10:37 PM)C0de_M0nkey Wrote: The Bengals are notorious for giving players a second chance after off the field issues. They took the PR hits on Pacman Jones and Chris Henry even though they were actually convicted of crimes.

(09-26-2023, 10:43 PM)Frank Booth Wrote: that was under marvin. I havent seen them do anything like that under zac taylor

(09-26-2023, 10:54 PM)Destro Wrote: How very lucky that Mixon was found not guilty then.

(09-26-2023, 08:52 PM)Nicomo Cosca Wrote: Robbins is terrible. Not at all what you expect when you use a draft pick on a punter.

(09-26-2023, 10:43 PM)Frank Booth Wrote: that was under marvin. I havent seen them do anything like that under zac taylor

(09-26-2023, 08:29 PM)Essex Johnson Wrote: He was fine, drop one inside 20, avg 42 with just 3 yards of return, he neutralized any run back

1. His hangtime isn't very good. This seems to be the most common thing brought up in regard to Robbins, but he isn't doing well here. He is averaging 4.29 seconds of hangtime, good for 25th out of 33 punters. This average would have ranked 19/36, 11/46, 26/40, 25/32, 19/33 over the last five seasons. His current hangtime average is also right in line with what he averaged in college, so it isn't like he is underperforming. 
2. His net average is current overperforming, I think. No punter in the last five years has had such a low average per attempt and a similar hangtime average, but we have some guys that are fairly close. There are six punters who have finished a season averaging right around 4.3 seconds of hangtime and less than 44 yards per punt. Out of these six players (332 punts), the yards per return average was 9.7 yards. The net average was 38.3. Given this information, I think as the season goes, I would expect Robbins net to actually drop to around the 36 yard range. Players will start pulling out returns against him.
   

(09-27-2023, 08:04 AM)Nepa Wrote: Araiza has a great nickname ("Punt God") and a reputation for extremely long punts. But in punting average, he was only 6th among his contemporaries. For example, Jordan Stout, the Ravens punter, did better in net punting yards and Araiza was about even with Brad Robbins, who rarely got touchbacks or returns.

The fact is Araiza gets a lot of touchbacks and outkicks his coverage with low hang-time, line-drive punts that may get distance when they get by the returner, but when returned yield a lot of return yardage -- an average of over 10 yards per return. I doubt the Bengals staff would want a kicker who was booming kicks into the end zone and yielding a lot of return yardage.

Here's one source for this information:

https://www.offtackleempire.com/2021/12/22/22849778/punt-god-matt-araiza-greatest-college-football-punting-season-all-time-reddit-epic-win-bacon-memes

(09-26-2023, 01:42 PM)TecmoBengals Wrote: Robbins by the numbers:

- Second to last in the NFL at 41.1 AVG per punt
- His longest punt is 54 yards; only 2 punters have a shorter 'longest punt'
- His net is 38.9; only 6 punters have a lower net
- He is second in the NFL with 18 punts (a decent sample size after 3 games)

(09-26-2023, 10:33 PM)Nepa Wrote: Robbins had a pretty atrocious first game. I was calling for head after that game.

But a case could be made that he did better than the Rams punter in the last game. The Rams punter had more booming punts, averaging 51 yards per punt for his six punts, while Robbins averaged only a little over 42 for his five punts. But 4 of the Rams punts were returned and for an average of 11 yards per punt. Only one of Robbins punts were returned and for only 3 yards, from the 5 yard line to the 8 yard line.

While the Rams punter had these booming punts, they were more line drive punts that resulting in Charlie Jones receiving them ten yards from the nearest Rams defender, giving him plenty of time to operate. And he had the opportunity to break an even longer punt than the 19-yarder that he returned that set the Bengals up nicely.

To a lesser extent, one possibly could argue that Robbins was more effective than the Ravens punter. Although the Ravens punter's two punts averaged 58 yards to Robbins 3 punts averaging 40 yards, only one Robbins punt was returned for 2 yards, while Charlie Jones had an 81-yard TD return for the Bengals.

One cannot just say this is the quality of the coverage teams. In these last two games, there were Bengals defenders waiting around the punt receiver because there was so much hang time while Charlie Jones had plenty of room to operate. The kick to the 5-yard line in the Rams game was a thing of true beauty -- the Bengals defenders had so much time that there were two defenders in front of the punt receiver and one went behind in case the receiver decided to let the ball bounce toward the end zone.

I'm not saying the Bengals cannot improve in this area. I'd love booming punts with great hangtime, which the top punters have. But this beats the no-hang time that Chrisman had in the KC game that left the receiver room to operate.

(09-27-2023, 09:39 PM)BengalYankee Wrote: So the title of this thread was "Do we need a new Punter?

If we need a new Punter then Arazia is available, if we don't need a punter then we keep Robbins.

You mention Stout, but Stout is not available. 

So as a recent President once said if you are happy with your doctor then you can keep your doctor in this case if you are happy with your punter then we keep our punter. 

(09-27-2023, 08:04 AM)Nepa Wrote: Araiza has a great nickname ("Punt God") and a reputation for extremely long punts. But in punting average, he was only 6th among his contemporaries. For example, Jordan Stout, the Ravens punter, did better in net punting yards and Araiza was about even with Brad Robbins, who rarely got touchbacks or returns.

The fact is Araiza gets a lot of touchbacks and outkicks his coverage with low hang-time, line-drive punts that may get distance when they get by the returner, but when returned yield a lot of return yardage -- an average of over 10 yards per return. I doubt the Bengals staff would want a kicker who was booming kicks into the end zone and yielding a lot of return yardage.

Here's one source for this information:

https://www.offtackleempire.com/2021/12/22/22849778/punt-god-matt-araiza-greatest-college-football-punting-season-all-time-reddit-epic-win-bacon-memes