(10-01-2023, 10:19 PM)reuben.ahmed Wrote: It's gotta be Burrow, Ja'marr is the type to sit until something is fully healed. I remember his interview last year where he said I could have played but I sat out to give it just 1 more week. Ja'marr is very clear on where he stands with Burrow's injury and it has to be frustrating as hell that Joe is hell bent. Maybe Ja'marr should do what Zac apparently is incapable, tell Burrow he's hurting the team playing injured and don't come back until you think you're 100%. Gutting it out is for the Super Bowl, not this early on in the season.

(10-01-2023, 09:12 PM)J24 Wrote: Is it a top roster? 
The TE position is complete crap, the secondary doesn't have an elite player, the Dline doesn't have an elite player, and neither does the offensiveline. We don't have one capable blocking Running back on the roster either.
QB when healthy is elite and so are the Wrs but that's about it. I would say it's a good roster but it isn't great.

(10-01-2023, 09:41 PM)J24 Wrote: When has Duke been called out?

(10-01-2023, 09:12 PM)J24 Wrote: Is it a top roster? 
The TE position is complete crap, the secondary doesn't have an elite player, the Dline doesn't have an elite player, and neither does the offensiveline. We don't have one capable blocking Running back on the roster either.
QB when healthy is elite and so are the Wrs but that's about it. I would say it's a good roster but it isn't great.

(10-01-2023, 10:29 PM)casear2727 Wrote: Chido coming off an ACL, CTB is rising player and Dax is showing traits, the DBs should only improve.

The DLine has Reader who is elite vs the run and has 2 sacks (one called back).  It is is silly to say he isnt.  Trey is an upper tier pass rusher and Sam is an upper tier run defender.

Duke has been slammed for his decade of horrendous oline drafts, Billy Price, and John Ross.  This most recent draft was extremely meh and 2022 wasnt great either.

Yes Cousins stats are very comparable to Burrow, we see it daily on Twitter.  

Yes Zac's offensive scheme is not good.  Our offense in the playoffs has not played to the level of the defense.

FO has been average draft-wise, offense and oline coaching has been poor, oline, and WRs, QB, TEs, Defensive play has been unacceptable.

(10-01-2023, 10:36 PM)Ell Prez Wrote: How many teams have game changing tight ends? KC and maybe bal. We do have elite dl- Hendrickson is elite.

We’re not losing because of the secondary. We need more pass rushers, and o line. Trenches. That’s it. And a healthy Burrow

(10-01-2023, 11:50 PM)J24 Wrote: Our secondary wasn't good today and gave up a lot of easy receptions.

(10-01-2023, 11:50 PM)J24 Wrote: 1.) You didn't mention Scott who has been poor.  

So?  I didnt do a run down on the entire secondary, didnt know you needed one?


2.) Reader is a good player but he isn’t on the level of a Jeffery Simmons or Myles Garrett. 

They both play different positions, how do you NOT know this?  


3.) Has he?  

YES, he has, you can search my posts alone to see how many times I've slammed the drafting.


4.) No! Just No! If you think Cousins is better than Burrow then get your brain examined! 

Are you slow tonight?  No one said Cousins is better, his stats are weirdly comparable, AGAIN, there is a graphic that circulates on Twitter every other day that details this.  Maybe research it and maybe stop jumping to conclusions as to who I think is better, that was a stupid comment.


5.) Zac's offense have been fine in the playoffs. Also he has had a major weaknesse with the Offensive Line.

Our offense has been "fine" in the playoffs, but it hasnt won any games.  The O has not put up any great numbers in the playoffs, if you dont know this then stop making comments.  Burrows playoff stats are somewhat average.  The offense and play calling has not been great, ever.  Depending on a WR to win every snap and the QB to be extremely accurate is not a creative scheme.


6.) 1.) We have drafted petty well since Burrow has been here outside of Offensive line.  My biggest issue with them has been FA and not valuing certain positions. 2.) Was the coaching poor when we won 10 straight games last season? 
We don't need game changing at TE but we do need better production. No Trey isn't elite; his run defense needs to be better(yes I know he had a huge TFL today). 

1.). Drafting has NOT been great the last couple of years. We simply are not great evaluators and it shows when we draft in the bottom 3rd.

2.). Those 10 wins were great, let's have a look shall we?

Panthers were terrible.
Steelers rebuilding with a mid rookie QB in his 1st AFCN game.
Titans lost 8 in a row.
Browns had Deshaun playing his 2nd game in 2 years.
Brady was washed.
We got lucky in NE with a fumble on the 5 yard line.
Ravens played their 3rd string QB, then their 2nd string QB.

Buffalo and KC were the only 2 really good wins.



Our secondary wasn't good today and gave up a lot of easy receptions.

Our entire D wasnt good today Mr. Obvious.

(10-01-2023, 11:56 PM)Destro Wrote: While we are just message board members, I wonder what ownership thinks. This New Dey thing and we are pretty bad. This right after they give up a Brinks truck. I'm sure they expect a return on their investment. What do they think the problem is and what do they think can fix it?

(10-02-2023, 12:51 AM)J24 Wrote: Lol 

1.) Well he is a starter and he is replacing an elite player in Jessie Bates

Bates was not elite IMO.  And he has ZERO to do with this team or my comment. I mentioned the ones who are good when you said we had none.


2.) Myles Garrett and Jeffery Simmons do not play the same position either. It doesn't mean they impact the game any less. Yes Reader is an elite NT but you are not moving up and down the line creating mismatches either.

Maybe read up on how football works, there isnt much creatively one can do with a 330 pound NT, this is a dont know ball comment.


3.) In general not you.

Ok, just saying that I have, a lot.


4.)Burrow  is 5-2 vs Cousins who is 1-3, Burrow 3 games with a 100 QB Rating vs Cousins who has had 1, Burrow has played in 7 playoff games vs Cousins 4, Burrow has played in a Superbowl and 2 AFC Championship games vs Cousins who has played in none.  

Yes their overall QB Rating is similar but that's about it and Cousins only has had one good game against a bad Giants team. Which dilutes his stats a bit.

So comparing the two is a bit silly.

Reading comprehension issue #1 for you.  We are not comparing the players, simply stating that we see the stats brought up by others.  Do better.



5.) Did you miss the Bills game last season?

Reading comprehension #2.  I mentioned the Bills and KC.  Do better.


6.) 2020- Burrow, Higgins, Wilson 2021- Chase, Ossai, McPherson, Sample 2022- Hill, and Britt.

Reading comprehension #3.  I specifically said "We simply are not great evaluators and it shows when we draft in the bottom 3rd."  And your retort is we did well drafting #1 and #5?  I cant take you serious.


10 wins is 10 wins.

Yes 10 wins is 10 wins, but they were vs 70% vs way inferior opponents or $hit QBs, 10% luck, and 20% solid wins.


You never win these little back and forth arguments for obvious reasons.  I get it we suck right now, we all agree.   We can both agree to agree that I am right and end this silly discussion.   

(10-02-2023, 01:06 AM)casear2727 Wrote: ,
Now we have revisionist history that Bates was elite?  He was NOT a ball hawk, not a great tackler and he gave up BOTH TDs in the AFCCG we lost.

Wilson, Pratt, Reader, Hubbard, Hilton, Chido... we have plenty of leadership in the locker room.  

Paying a FS 16M is about as dumb as can be in todays NFL, especially on our defense. Dax is showing serious traits.

(10-01-2023, 08:51 PM)bfine32 Wrote: One of my biggest gripes about this fan base is how much of a pass they've given Mike Brown and the FO over the last 20 years.

(10-02-2023, 12:10 PM)NotBigzo Wrote: I remneber dubbing this year's FA was the "worst i've seen since Burrow was drafted" and people freaking laughed at me. Just because we went from a bad LT to a mid LT doesn't change that the front office twiddled their thumbs.

Burrow and the offense gave zero indication that they'd be able to fill the vaccum the defense had to fill for them to have success in the postseason.

(10-02-2023, 12:08 PM)WeezyBengal Wrote: 1. They failed to address and add a legit backup QB when they knew Burrow's calf was ******.  This is not a reality at all, they actually signed Siemain who had started 30 games and thrown over 7,000 yards which are in top half of most games played on the backup list... he did not work out, but other good teams ie Buffalo, Cleveland and others have weak backups or rookies behind them.  Really good backup QBs are few are far between and if they are out there, they prefer to go to a team where they might end up starting. 

2. They cheaped out on tight end and added a complete liability in Irv Smith. They didn't draft one to groom.  I did not like Smith signing give you that one

3. They didn't replace or re-sign Perine with a legit third down back capable of blocking/giving you something in the pass game.  Perine left on his own, bengals contract i read was more than he signed in Denver... they put faith in their backups and rookies that might have been wrong. I would have agreed with you if you stated should have replaced Mixon for the $$.

4. They cheaped out and let BOTH Bates and Bell walk.  They planned ahead on Bates and contract.. Hill has played better than anyone in our backfield and i watched Bates this year not playing to his contract.. They offered Bell a good contract thought he was resigning... so they did not let him walk

5. They did nothing to help the severly deficient pass rush other than draft a project with their first round pick.  We don't know who Murphy but late 1st round picks don't always start... but would have liked them to look at FA also

6. They failed to re-sign Higgins.  Well this sure looks like a smart thing when you look at his play, attitude and $$ he was costing us.. have to sign Chase before him and not hamper the team .  I still do what KC did.. trade Higgins after season get draft picks and use the $$ for other pressing needs