(11-27-2023, 11:39 PM)KillerGoose Wrote: Glad to hear the surgery went well. I can’t help but think of some of the discussion prior to the season. There was a vocal minority saying that they believed Burrow was going to take a discount on his contract, and some of that group believed that he should.

This should make it easy to understand why virtually no one ever does that.  These major injuries come out of nowhere.

(11-27-2023, 11:39 PM)KillerGoose Wrote: Glad to hear the surgery went well. I can’t help but think of some of the discussion prior to the season. There was a vocal minority saying that they believed Burrow was going to take a discount on his contract, and some of that group believed that he should.

This should make it easy to understand why virtually no one ever does that.  These major injuries come out of nowhere.

(11-27-2023, 11:55 PM)Whatever Wrote: Pressure from agents and the NFLPA is also a big factor.

From a structure standpoint, Joe has a pretty manageable cap hit through '27 and he will likely get an extension to tear up the final two years of his current deal.  

(11-27-2023, 10:45 PM)Nicomo Cosca Wrote: Glass houses. We still employ Joe Mixon.

(11-27-2023, 11:11 PM)casear2727 Wrote: We drafted a guy that broke a girls face on camera. The same guy has been accused of being involved in other issues, including weapons.  Come on now, I'm not saying we have to pick up criminals but we dont make moves like them.

Eagles traded for AJ Brown, they make moves on draft day, they try to improve their rosters at the trade deadline.  We are the most pathetic in terms of creativity.  We did ok with some free agents.  Most importantly, there is no comparison when discussing our O & D lines and Philly's......

(11-28-2023, 12:22 AM)bfine32 Wrote: Dude you balked on the Homer-Burrow comparison but compare what Mixon did to what Carter did? 

(11-27-2023, 07:42 PM)Chezaugie Wrote: Maybe you should research the history. Bailey pitched a no-hitter at age 24 and is only one of seven pitchers in the history of the MLB to pitch 2 no-hitters. Considered to be a young elite pitcher the Reds signed him to a $100 million + contract. He then fell apart physically making the contract one of the worst of all time. Starting to see any similarities?

Of course, you may prefer to use the Andrew Luck comparison.

(11-28-2023, 01:22 AM)Nicomo Cosca Wrote: I was merely pointing out that we have a guy with some pretty serious character issues of his own currently serving as a team captain.

Mixon has broken a woman’s face, threatened another with a gun over road rage, and let the type of people that shoot at children stay at his house. Seems fair to bring up when talking about teams valuing character.

(11-28-2023, 02:32 AM)Truck_1_0_1_ Wrote: 1. No hitters are actually VERY common. It's still a feat, no doubt, but it's the most-common, "unusual," feat in the game (322) after 3 HRs in a game (480 all-time).
2. You Reds fans know your stuff, but you guys know SO LITTLE outside the city of Cincinnati (not starting up the Pete Rose discussion again).
3. Homer Bailey, for a Bengals comparison, I would say is Kitna

Burrow is better than any Reds pitcher, post-dead-ball: I'd put Rijo as the closest thing, but Burrow at 4 years into his career, is past what Rijo did after 10 years.

Oh yeah, Aaron Harang can pitch circles around Homer Bailey.

(11-28-2023, 02:43 AM)bfine32 Wrote: Of course, it's fair to bring up (although the road rage is unfounded); I just found it ironic you balked at the Homer Bailey comparison (highly drafted prospect, performed well, got lucrative contract, got hurt) while trotting out that one. 

(11-28-2023, 02:54 AM)casear2727 Wrote: Do we seriously have a Homer Bailey and Aaron fcking Harang debate going on here?    Where's my popcorn?

(11-28-2023, 02:56 AM)Nicomo Cosca Wrote: See Truck’s post above (he’s a HUGE baseball guy) I’m not the only one to call out that comparison for being way off.

As for bringing up Mixon? It’s only fair. He’s obviously the first thing an opposing fanbase is going to throw back at us if we start going on about character.

(11-28-2023, 03:03 AM)bfine32 Wrote: It seems Truck was only comparing talent; yet,  I viewed it more as a comparison of circumstances (listed above). Were you comparing talent levels when comparing Mixon to Carter as was Truck or circumstance as was I?  

(11-28-2023, 02:32 AM)Truck_1_0_1_ Wrote: 1. No hitters are actually VERY common. It's still a feat, no doubt, but it's the most-common, "unusual," feat in the game (322) after 3 HRs in a game (480 all-time).
2. You Reds fans know your stuff, but you guys know SO LITTLE outside the city of Cincinnati (not starting up the Pete Rose discussion again).
3. Homer Bailey, for a Bengals comparison, I would say is Kitna

Burrow is better than any Reds pitcher, post-dead-ball: I'd put Rijo as the closest thing, but Burrow at 4 years into his career, is past what Rijo did after 10 years.

Oh yeah, Aaron Harang can pitch circles around Homer Bailey.

(11-28-2023, 02:54 AM)casear2727 Wrote: Do we seriously have a Homer Bailey and Aaron fcking Harang debate going on here?    Where's my popcorn?

(11-27-2023, 07:42 PM)Chezaugie Wrote: Maybe you should research the history. Bailey pitched a no-hitter at age 24 and is only one of seven pitchers in the history of the MLB to pitch 2 no-hitters. Considered to be a young elite pitcher the Reds signed him to a $100 million + contract. He then fell apart physically making the contract one of the worst of all time. Starting to see any similarities?

Of course, you may prefer to use the Andrew Luck comparison.

(11-27-2023, 08:06 PM)Essex Johnson Wrote: but again injuries this year have little to nothing to do with the Oline...we can debate pass/run but that discussion is not relative to this year injuries. He hurt his calf on his own in preseason, wrist in just playing the game and was healthy