(12-29-2023, 05:13 PM)007BengalsFan Wrote: I wasnt speaking of just edge rushers just elite pass rushers in general.  The Bengals line hasnt been good enough to stop either edge or inside and that's the problem. 

(12-29-2023, 05:18 PM)ochocincos Wrote: Gotcha.
But typically it's not the OT's responsibility to take on the IDL.
Maybe I made a jump, but adding a new RT wouldn't have really mattered if going against Aaron Donald or Chris Jones, as those guys bullied the IOL.

With that said, we cannot expect an overhaul of the OL in one offseason, at least with this coaching staff.
Pollack brought in these guys over the past 2-3 years, so 4 of them are there whether we like it or not.
Jonah is the only spot on the OL I see even being in question for 2024.

(12-29-2023, 05:12 PM)ochocincos Wrote: If I'm putting myself in the mindset of the Bengals braintrust, I think they're thinking this:
- This team was responsible for getting to the Super Bowl and two AFCCGs. You don't get there by replacing a good number of players. You try to keep the team as intact as possible within budget.
- These are the guys we know and helped get the team where it is, so we're higher on them than the fans probably are.
- With Burrow's big contract about to hit, we have to be mindful of what we can fit in budget these upcoming next few years.

So I think they'll look to only change out a few spots like they did this past year.
If they can fit it in the budget, they'll try to have as few departures of impending FAs as they can. Specifically Higgins, Reader, and even Jonah.
They'll fill the departures with probably a couple cost-appropriate vets and a couple high draft picks.
Most/all draft picks will end up being depth guys out of the gate and groomed to take over in future year(s), just like Murphy was selected.

(12-29-2023, 05:39 PM)SunsetBengal Wrote: That is true, there is only so much money to work with.  

With the advent of Free Agency and the Salary Cap, the NFL has done some great things during my viewing lifetime.  It would be nice to see them take things a step further and institute positional salary caps.  Not capped in terms of dollars, but as in a percentage of the cap for their respective team.  We're now seeing QBs eating 20% and more of a team's salary cap, and the best position players commanding 10-15%, of a number that is supposed to spread across 53 players.  With so many front offices becoming adept at cap manipulation and making money seemingly 'disappear', it seems time for the league to go a step further to ensure that level playing field.

(12-29-2023, 03:47 PM)ochocincos Wrote: Jonah was doing rather well prior to playing the Steelers this year.
Ever since Week 12 (5 games), he's allowed 4 sacks.
Compare that to 4 sacks in the10 games prior.
Steelers games alone accounted for 3 of those 4 sacks in the past 5 games.

Divisional games have resulted in just 2 sacks allowed. The other 6 have come in the divisional games.
So the division has both schemed a way to beat him and also the AFC North just has really good pass rushers.

At the end of the day, I say Jonah is solid. He does well against non-elite rushers. But he does get beat pretty bad against good rushers, which probably isn't the best when playing against CLE, PIT, and BAL twice a year.

I'm ok if Jonah departs after this season, but we also should be prepared that it is possible the Bengals get even worse at RT bringing in someone new.

(12-30-2023, 01:27 PM)Housh Wrote: Sadly this likely means he’s gone

What good is he to us if he’s average or slightly above
Against weaker guys but totally ass in the 8 games that are most important


I’d rather just get a rookie whose league average against everyone

(12-30-2023, 01:45 PM)The D.O.Z. Wrote: This. We've seen what Jonah brings at this point. Why not TRY to improve there rather than go with the status quo? If he's like this against Garrett and Watt, what's he gonna be like against a Bosa / Young combo, or the like, in a possible SuperBowl? We should want and expect better. Just because he's the best available in a very limited FA class shouldn't dictate us spending $12+ million per year on a guy who isn't worth $12 million per. Let some other team sign him to big bucks and try to "fix" him.

(12-31-2023, 09:45 AM)Bronxbengal Wrote: This team has a series of questions needing to be addressed in the off season.  RT is a glaring hole.  Jonah to me has been meh, but serviceable.  My problem with the line ( I believe) is due to the strategy of the offense dictated by Taylor and Burrow.  Both want to run a pass happy offense and Pollack has players for a run centric offense.  The line was good when we ran the ball more.  

This board goes nuts about our line but I see all lines across the NFL giving up sacks or having the QB scramble.  I have not seen many lines this year creating the consistent true pocket for the QB.

Overall, I would try to keep Jonah at a good price assuming he wants to stay with the Bengals and willing to stay at RT.  


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(12-31-2023, 10:57 AM)Synric Wrote: I could argue against that. lol

(12-30-2023, 01:27 PM)Housh Wrote: Sadly this likely means he’s gone

What good is he to us if he’s average or slightly above
Against weaker guys but totally ass in the 8 games that are most important


I’d rather just get a rookie whose league average against everyone

(12-30-2023, 01:45 PM)The D.O.Z. Wrote: This. We've seen what Jonah brings at this point. Why not TRY to improve there rather than go with the status quo? If he's like this against Garrett and Watt, what's he gonna be like against a Bosa / Young combo, or the like, in a possible SuperBowl? We should want and expect better. Just because he's the best available in a very limited FA class shouldn't dictate us spending $12+ million per year on a guy who isn't worth $12 million per. Let some other team sign him to big bucks and try to "fix" him.