(01-18-2024, 01:14 PM)ochocincos Wrote: Reader turns 30 years old this Summer.
Bengals haven't traditionally signed players 30+ years old to multi-year contracts.

If Reader is retained, it would only be for 2024, I think.

If that were the case, I'd offer him no more than $10 mill given his injuries and age.
That's still relatively close to his $13.25 mill AAV he got on his last contract, which was when he was in his prime.

Do that and draft a guy in Rd 2-4 range to groom for a year.

(01-14-2024, 05:14 PM)Whatever Wrote: Between the weak TE market and draft class, I wouldn't mind seeing Sample retained as a blocking TE.  Irwin is an RFA, so he makes sense to tender for cheap depth.

No way I'm paying Reader $12 mil on a one year deal when he's pretty much guaranteed to miss a good chunk of the season.

The Higgins FT is crippling and makes zero sense unless you're going to trade him.  It's a good FA class and top heavy WR class, so you have a good chance to replace him this year.  Why punt on it for another year?  Plus, with it being a one year deal, you can't free up extra cap space for this year with structure.  

(01-18-2024, 08:07 PM)psychdoctor Wrote: What is the recovery timeline for Reader?

• Center LeCharles Bentley tore his patellar tendon as a 26-year-old in 2006. Despite the fact he was coming off a Pro Bowl season, he never played again. 
  

• Running back Cadillac Williams suffered back-to-back patellar tendon injuries to separate knees in 2007 and 2008. The former 1,000-yard rusher battled back to start 24 games in 2009 and 2010, but he averaged just 3.8 yards per carry during that period. His career came to an end the next year.
  

• Running back Ryan Williams suffered a torn patellar tendon as a rookie in 2011. The second-round pick returned for five games in 2012 but never played another snap after that. "Growing up I thought that the worst injury you could have is the ACL," Williams said last year, per Fox Sports. "Nah, when you tear that patellar tendon and your kneecap shifts to your thigh, that's something I wouldn't wish on my worst enemy."
  

• Safety Jim Leonhard suffered the injury late in 2011. He had started 53 games in four seasons but started just 13 over the next three years before retiring. 
  

• Wide receiver Greg Childs tore both patellar tendons before his rookie season in 2012. He never played a regular-season game. 
  

• Wide receiver Brandon Gibson tore his patellar tendon midway through the 2013 season, returned to play 14 games with the Miami Dolphins in 2014 but hasn't played since. 
  

• Linebacker Jerod Mayo suffered the injury as a 28-year-old in 2014. He played sparingly in 2015 before announcing his retirement. 
  

• Safety Nate Allen has never been a star, but he represents hope. The 2010 second-round pick suffered a torn patellar tendon late in his rookie season but missed only the first two games of the 2011 campaign and was a regular starter for each of the next four years with the Philadelphia Eagles. 
  

• Cornerback Patrick Robinson missed most of the 2013 season because of the same injury, but the former first-round pick has battled back to play 30 combined games the last two seasons with the New Orleans Saints and San Diego Chargers. 
  

• Cornerback Morris Claiborne missed most of the 2014 season through the same injury, but the former first-round pick battled back to start 11 games for the Dallas Cowboys in 2015.
  
  DJ Reader tore his OTHER quad in Game 5 in 2020, he came back in 2021 to have a very good season. 
  

(01-18-2024, 01:09 PM)Isaac Curtis: The Real #85 Wrote: Backtracking already? 

You said he wouldn't be signed atcthe start of the season. I will take that bet. 

You said he wouldn't see the field before December. I will take that bet. 

$2-$3 million is also flatly absurd. 

The only thing you said that makes any sense is we need 2-3 guys at DT/NT. 

1) Reader 
2) Pass rushing DT (FA or draft) 
3) Reader placeholder/Tufele/Tupou upgrade (draft or lesser FA). 

I could live with another year of Tupou & Carter, but only as the 3rd options. As #2's, they are weak. Tufele is a PS guy. 

(01-18-2024, 08:50 PM)casear2727 Wrote:

I have read everything from 9 months to a year, and each time with the disclaimer that it could be career ending.  Jamal Adams took a took 13 months.  

"Quadriceps tendon tears are usually season-ending injuries and may be career ending. Even with acute, primary surgical repair, only about half will return to competitive play."  American Journal of Sports Medicine 


Anecdotal evidence certainly supports careers ended:

• Center LeCharles Bentley tore his patellar tendon as a 26-year-old in 2006. Despite the fact he was coming off a Pro Bowl season, he never played again. 
  

• Running back Cadillac Williams suffered back-to-back patellar tendon injuries to separate knees in 2007 and 2008. The former 1,000-yard rusher battled back to start 24 games in 2009 and 2010, but he averaged just 3.8 yards per carry during that period. His career came to an end the next year.
  

• Running back Ryan Williams suffered a torn patellar tendon as a rookie in 2011. The second-round pick returned for five games in 2012 but never played another snap after that. "Growing up I thought that the worst injury you could have is the ACL," Williams said last year, per Fox Sports. "Nah, when you tear that patellar tendon and your kneecap shifts to your thigh, that's something I wouldn't wish on my worst enemy."
  

• Safety Jim Leonhard suffered the injury late in 2011. He had started 53 games in four seasons but started just 13 over the next three years before retiring. 
  

• Wide receiver Greg Childs tore both patellar tendons before his rookie season in 2012. He never played a regular-season game. 
  

• Wide receiver Brandon Gibson tore his patellar tendon midway through the 2013 season, returned to play 14 games with the Miami Dolphins in 2014 but hasn't played since. 
  

• Linebacker Jerod Mayo suffered the injury as a 28-year-old in 2014. He played sparingly in 2015 before announcing his retirement. 
  

There are some positives, however:

• Safety Nate Allen has never been a star, but he represents hope. The 2010 second-round pick suffered a torn patellar tendon late in his rookie season but missed only the first two games of the 2011 campaign and was a regular starter for each of the next four years with the Philadelphia Eagles. 
  

• Cornerback Patrick Robinson missed most of the 2013 season because of the same injury, but the former first-round pick has battled back to play 30 combined games the last two seasons with the New Orleans Saints and San Diego Chargers. 
  

• Cornerback Morris Claiborne missed most of the 2014 season through the same injury, but the former first-round pick battled back to start 11 games for the Dallas Cowboys in 2015.
  
  DJ Reader tore his OTHER quad in Game 5 in 2020, he came back in 2021 to have a very good season. 
  

(01-19-2024, 11:25 AM)Hammerstripes Wrote: No, not back tracking at all.

I will still bet that he won't be signed at the start of the season - if he is, someone is giving a huge discount.  He injured it in mid December and it's widely considered a 9-12 month recovery.  I love DJ, but to sign him to big money at the start of the season is pretty foolish.  There's no way he signs in March, so when the season rolls around, most teams don't have the "big money" to offer a free agent.

(01-19-2024, 12:46 PM)Isaac Curtis: The Real #85 Wrote: In 2021, despite tearing the quad in week 5 the previous year, he started week 1 and played in 15 of 17 games. We rested the starters the last week. 

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/R/ReadD.00/gamelog/2021/

Reader has already had the surgery and started rehab. Absolutely no hint of the injury being career ending. He said rehab is going better this time (though as a FA, what would he say, so, grain of salt there). Still, he did not look worried, in the slightest. PFF isn't worried. Spotrac isn't worried. They all think he is gonna get paid. 

He'll be ready by October, if not sooner. 9 months is 9/16. 

This career ending talk is, in my opinion, much exaggerated. Still a long way to go. In two months we will have a better idea. 

(01-14-2024, 07:04 PM)Soonerpeace Wrote: 2 years @ 7.5 million is better than 1 year 10 million. If he can get a long term contract for much better let him go. He can’t be what he was do you think? Big gamble for Cincy not knowing his health so I don’t think it’s disrespectful

(01-19-2024, 11:41 PM)Isaac Curtis: The Real #85 Wrote: And, just to put a pin on why I think improving the run defense is more important than pass rush, here are the rushing stats in our division losses:

Week 1: 3-24 at Cle. Browns: 40 rushes for 206 yards. Over 5 per.

Week 2: 24-27 L to Baltimore at home. Ravens: 37 for 178. Almost 5 per.  

Week 11: 20-34 L at Balt. Ravens: 31 for 157. Over 5 per.

Week 12: 10-16 loss vs Pitt. Steelers: 33 for 153. Just short of 5 per.

Week 16: 11-34 L at Pitt. Steelers: 30 for 113. Finally a decent run game. But it was over so quick.

807 yards in 5 games is brutal, though. (if my math is correct).

If we cannot stop the run, we cannot win division games. If we cannot win division games, we cannot make the POs. We were 8-3 outside the division this year.

Even if we bring Reader back, we need another quality DT (Wilkins is one) and another quality NT/run stopper (I'd take Sweat in Rd2 even with Wilkins & Reader in the bag, or Jackson Rd 3). If no Wilkins in FA, then Jenkins or Murphy Rd 2 looks real good.  

I'd move WR3, TE, and CB depth back a round.

(01-19-2024, 11:25 AM)Hammerstripes Wrote: No, not back tracking at all.

I will still bet that he won't be signed at the start of the season - if he is, someone is giving a huge discount.  He injured it in mid December and it's widely considered a 9-12 month recovery.  I love DJ, but to sign him to big money at the start of the season is pretty foolish.  There's no way he signs in March, so when the season rolls around, most teams don't have the "big money" to offer a free agent.

(01-18-2024, 02:38 PM)casear2727 Wrote: Bengals should do a club option 2nd year in case he heals up and plays well.  Doesn't cost us anything and could help us get him signed.

(01-22-2024, 09:54 PM)J24 Wrote: We can save about 10 million in cap space by  cutting Mixon, Scott, and Carmen! Additionally we can save another 14 M if we  cut both Hilton & Hll.(of course you only do that if you're comfortable with thier replacements).

(01-23-2024, 02:28 AM)casear2727 Wrote: We lose money if we cut Dax Hill.   You talking about Trey?

(01-23-2024, 03:50 AM)Nicomo Cosca Wrote: I assume he’s taking about BJ.

So many Hill’s.

(01-23-2024, 02:28 AM)casear2727 Wrote: We lose money if we cut Dax Hill.   You talking about Trey?

(01-23-2024, 10:34 AM)casear2727 Wrote: Lol, of course he is.  Im an idiot.  He mentioned Hilton and I was thinking of DBs.  I see no way we could even consider cutting BJ, we need more DTs.....

(01-23-2024, 10:39 AM)J24 Wrote: Like I said in the post if you feel comfortable in his replacement. Example- Bengals sign Justin Madubuike to a 4 year 100 Million deal(40 Million Guaranteed)! Not saying you straight up cut BJ without reason.