(05-03-2024, 12:29 PM)coachmcneil71 Wrote: Admittedly I am a fairly harsh grader when it comes to Bengals drafts. Probably because I have seen a lot of wasted years and talent along the way. Ts, this draft has 2 hits,2 complete misses, and 6 incompletes. None of the incompletes can currently be ranked above a C at their draft positions. Even if you give 2 of the incompletes a C grade there are still 4 other players with an incomplete and none could be ranked above a D.

 Two A+, two F's, two C's (and I'm being generous), four D's.

It's a D for me. 

(05-03-2024, 12:41 PM)Nicomo Cosca Wrote: Marvin never had the benefit of the team actually spending in free agency. Players like Hendrickson, Reader, Bell, Awuzie, Hilton, etc were all vital during the recent playoff runs.

(05-03-2024, 12:41 PM)Whatever Wrote: Who are the C's and D's?

(05-03-2024, 09:51 AM)Nicomo Cosca Wrote: Geno did have a big sack against the Steelers in 2016. In a game they obviously should’ve won.

It’s definitely fair to bring up playoff performance though (I just did with Parsons), but when the gap is as large as it is between guys like Whit/Geno and Wilson/Pratt I’m still going with the guys that at the very least are borderline Hall of Famers.

(05-03-2024, 12:44 PM)jj22 Wrote: This is false. For Marvins first couple years like Zac he had good FA classes. 

(05-03-2024, 12:41 PM)jj22 Wrote: I'm thinking about the only thing that (should) matters.... Wins and post season contributions.

There is no SB without Shelvin's big play against Mahomes.... What more do you want from a draft pick. I'll have to hear the A picks in prior drafts and wonder what they did to help the team win and make championship runs.

You can point to the supposed great draft picks of Dunlap, Atkins, Whit etc. but what exactly did that get us? You guys rather go back to 1 and dones?

(05-03-2024, 12:55 PM)Nicomo Cosca Wrote:

(05-03-2024, 12:51 PM)PDub80 Wrote: Oh, no, sure I get what you're saying on the whole career arc. But the guys under ZT only have a few years in thus far. I can't compare them to 10 year HOF vets.

But I think that, from an impact standpoint, Wilson, Pratt, Shooter, Higgins, Burrow, Chase.... All incredible careers so far.

Compare that to the higher end picks of Marvin's era and I think ZT comes out ahead. ZT has had MUCH better FA signings, which is why the team has had monster success.... but ZT also drafts different types of guys than Marvin. No question. That had overcome the lack of developing draft picks.

(05-03-2024, 12:55 PM)Frank Booth Wrote: Deep breaths

C-

(05-03-2024, 12:57 PM)jj22 Wrote: I mean he did. Must we list them? 

(05-03-2024, 12:41 PM)Whatever Wrote: Who are the C's and D's?

(05-03-2024, 01:17 PM)coachmcneil71 Wrote: Come on man! It's a pickem. You know which ones are hits and which ones were complete misses. You can probably give Ossai a C but it's all downhill after that with the 6 incompletes. Evans may be worthy of a C considering where he was drafted. I don't see how any of the other 4 could rank above a D grade. 

(05-03-2024, 01:05 PM)Nicomo Cosca Wrote: Listing them would certainly help.

Off the top of my head - in his first few years - Marvin had Deltha O’Neal, a 30 year old Tory James, and Bobbie Williams. Who were these other good free agent signings he had early on?

(05-03-2024, 02:08 PM)Whatever Wrote: Yeah...less than half of 4th round picks last through their rookie deals without getting cut.  Looking at our '11-20 draft classes(because '20 is the last draft year that rookie contracts have expired from), 5 of our 15 4th round picks lasted 4 years in the roster(ADG, Carl Lawson, Andrew Billings, Russell Bodine, and Clint Boling).  And you're apparently giving D grades to 6th rounders like Hill and Evans who have made the roster for 3 years?

Day 3 picks are cheap depth fills for the back half of the roster.  Occasionally, yeah, you luck into a starter, but expecting starters and key backups out of these picks is ridiculous.  That's why I rail on everyone jumping on the Golden Binns bandwagon or folks who think you can just find a quality RB on Day 3.

(05-03-2024, 01:05 PM)Nicomo Cosca Wrote: Listing them would certainly help.

Off the top of my head - in his first few years - Marvin had Deltha O’Neal, a 30 year old Tory James, and Bobbie Williams. Who were these other good free agent signings he had early on?

(05-02-2024, 05:50 PM)J24 Wrote: 1st.) Jammar Chase WR LSU

2.) Jackson Carmen OL Clemson

3.) Joseph Ossai Edge Texas

4.) Cam Sample Edge Tulane

4b.)Tyler Shelvin NT LSU

4c.) D'ante Smith OT ECU

5.)Mac McPherson K Florida

6th.) Trey Hill C Georgia

6b.) Chris Evans RB Florida

7.) Wyatt Hubert DE

(05-03-2024, 02:17 PM)coachmcneil71 Wrote: Hill may be worthy of a C-, but that's a stretch really. Evans has at least scored a TD in a meaningful game, but the rest of his contributions have been pretty vanilla. The names Sample, Hill, and Evans aren't striking any fear in opposing teams and players. 

I gave 6 incompletes for a reason.

(05-03-2024, 02:19 PM)Whatever Wrote: Kevin Hardy was a Pro Bowl LB.  If course, he had John Thornton, Sam Adams, and I wanna say Ashley Ambrose.