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RE: Name you want to hear and don't want to hear tomorrow - Nepa - 04-27-2025
(04-25-2025, 06:41 PM)Stewy Wrote: This thread is funny/sad in retrospect.
True. I counted 11 posters on the two pages before the draft saying the name they did not want to hear is Shemar Stewart!
RE: Name you want to hear and don't want to hear tomorrow - Nate (formerly eliminate08) - 04-28-2025
(04-27-2025, 09:30 PM)Nepa Wrote: True. I counted 11 posters on the two pages before the draft saying the name they did not want to hear is Shemar Stewart!
I REPENT!!!
RE: Name you want to hear and don't want to hear tomorrow - Skans - 04-29-2025
If it makes anyone feel better, Luke Kuechly said Shemar Stewart had the most "upside/ceiling" of any Defensive End in the draft. He excluded Abdul Carter as he said he is more of a linebacker and not a true defensive end.
RE: Name you want to hear and don't want to hear tomorrow - ochocincos - 04-30-2025
(04-29-2025, 06:01 PM)Skans Wrote: If it makes anyone feel better, Luke Kuechly said Shemar Stewart had the most "upside/ceiling" of any Defensive End in the draft. He excluded Abdul Carter as he said he is more of a linebacker and not a true defensive end.
Joe Goodberry posted his draft grades video yesterday.
He goes into detail the concern with Stewart.
Guy got a lot of pressures but missed a ton of tackles and really struggled disengaging and finding the ball carrier.
Goodberry graded Stewart well on everything except for tape and production, two huge pieces.
He had a mid-round grade on Stewart when it came to production.
Said Stewart would not have been someone he would have taken at 17.
RE: Name you want to hear and don't want to hear tomorrow - Nate (formerly eliminate08) - 04-30-2025
(04-29-2025, 06:01 PM)Skans Wrote: If it makes anyone feel better, Luke Kuechly said Shemar Stewart had the most "upside/ceiling" of any Defensive End in the draft. He excluded Abdul Carter as he said he is more of a linebacker and not a true defensive end.
Yep, watched this this morning on Up And Adams with Kay.
RE: Name you want to hear and don't want to hear tomorrow - ochocincos - 04-30-2025
(04-30-2025, 01:39 PM)Nate (formerly eliminate08) Wrote: Yep, watched this this morning on Up And Adams with Kay.
People said similar things about Myles Murphy.
Murphy RAS - 9.71
Height - 6'4.75"
Weight - 268 lbs
40 - 4.53
shuttle - 4.29
3-cone - 7.21
Broad/Vert - DNP
Stewart RAS - 10.0
Height - 6'5.0"
Weight - 267 lbs
40 - 4.59
vert - 40.0
broad - 10'11"
shuttle/3-cone - DNP
Just like SS, MM's scouting report was "The traits and upside are there, but his skill level needs a boost to push the ceiling higher...Doesn't come up with a rush plan to beat tackles."
Murphy actually had better production and tape than SS, and he's now going into Year 3 before potentially making any real impact.
If Bengals don't get some immediate quality performance from SS this year, there will be concerns...unless Ossai/Murphy really steps up to compensate and make people be fine with relegating the shiny 1st round DE to a limited snap player this year.
RE: Name you want to hear and don't want to hear tomorrow - Nate (formerly eliminate08) - 04-30-2025
(04-30-2025, 05:49 PM)ochocincos Wrote: People said similar things about Myles Murphy.
Murphy RAS - 9.71
Height - 6'4.75"
Weight - 268 lbs
40 - 4.53
shuttle - 4.29
3-cone - 7.21
Broad/Vert - DNP
Stewart RAS - 10.0
Height - 6'5.0"
Weight - 267 lbs
40 - 4.59
vert - 40.0
broad - 10'11"
shuttle/3-cone - DNP
Just like SS, MM's scouting report was "The traits and upside are there, but his skill level needs a boost to push the ceiling higher...Doesn't come up with a rush plan to beat tackles."
Murphy actually had better production and tape than SS, and he's now going into Year 3 before potentially making any real impact.
If Bengals don't get some immediate quality performance from SS this year, there will be concerns...unless Ossai/Murphy really steps up to compensate and make people be fine with relegating the shiny 1st round DE to a limited snap player this year.
I don't remember players like Micah Parsons and Luke Kuechly talking up Murphy and saying he had the highest ceiling of anyone in the entire
Draft but yeah, they were similar. I still think Murphy can be great too, just gained too much weight last season and it really slowed him down.
RE: Name you want to hear and don't want to hear tomorrow - ochocincos - 04-30-2025
(04-30-2025, 05:56 PM)Nate (formerly eliminate08) Wrote: I don't remember players like Micah Parsons and Luke Kuechly talking up Murphy and saying he had the highest ceiling of anyone in the entire
Draft but yeah, they were similar. I still think Murphy can be great too, just gained too much weight last season and it really slowed him down.
What I am starting to not like about RAS scores is they ignore drills that players don't do.
Example - SS didn't do agility drills. Would he have done well enough to keep a 10.0 RAS if he had?
Goodberry mentioned he looked somewhat stiff on tape, which contributed to why he couldn't finish some plays and get to the passer/ball carrier.
RE: Name you want to hear and don't want to hear tomorrow - Nate (formerly eliminate08) - 05-01-2025
(04-30-2025, 06:08 PM)ochocincos Wrote: What I am starting to not like about RAS scores is they ignore drills that players don't do.
Example - SS didn't do agility drills. Would he have done well enough to keep a 10.0 RAS if he had?
Goodberry mentioned he looked somewhat stiff on tape, which contributed to why he couldn't finish some plays and get to the passer/ball carrier.
I get your thought on players ignoring certain drills which keeps their RAS scores high, should make the score go down a bit for ignoring
certain drills. Don't know what Goodberry is seeing, doesn't look stiff to me, I see an extremely agile player in Shemar Stewart. I bet he
would of done great if he did the agility drills myself.