(01-05-2016, 06:18 PM)TheLeonardLeap Wrote: Probably because they see the fact that in just 11 starts, Roethlisberger set the second highest INT total of his career? The most for him since 2006.

Nobody looks at 21 TD/16 INT in 11 starts despite having Antonio Brown and says... "YES! That's what I want! Please influence the development of a young QB for me!"

(01-05-2016, 04:48 PM)Essex Johnson Wrote:  The most important stat in football is points allowed on a defense ,, The Bengals are 2nd and just set a team record.. if anything this Defense is better now than when Zim left.  So we actually progressed not regressed

(01-05-2016, 04:27 PM)BengalFanInNJ Wrote: Kind of surprised by this.

How come I don't see Todd Haley being looked at??? Dude has been awesome as an OC with the Steelers???

(01-05-2016, 07:35 PM)fredtoast Wrote: Glad to see Geunther getting some credit.

The same cast of negative fans here who hate every coach we ever had cried about how clueless he was, but we end up #2 in scoring defense.

(01-05-2016, 04:40 PM)yellowxdiscipline Wrote: Im ok... Guenther hasn't really wowed me as a DC. We kind of regressed since Zim was calling the plays.

(01-05-2016, 05:56 PM)Element Wrote: I could be an arena league coach

(01-05-2016, 08:17 PM)Rattler Wrote: IMO, Zimmer left the cabinet full and a lot of PG's success could, up to this point be that we've kept the nucleus of the defense in tact.

When the window closes and we can no longer afford everyone, then we'll find out how good he is/was when he has to mold rookies
and others into a cohesive unit.

(01-05-2016, 08:17 PM)Rattler Wrote: IMO, Zimmer left the cabinet full and a lot of PG's success could, up to this point be that we've kept the nucleus of the defense in tact.

When the window closes and we can no longer afford everyone, then we'll find out how good he is/was when he has to mold rookies
and others into a cohesive unit.

(01-05-2016, 10:13 PM)SunsetBengal Wrote: Let's also not forget that Guenther was in the brain trust that stocked that cabinet.  When Zimmer left, the promotion of Guenther was immediate.  No other considerations were made.  Last year was a transitional year, filled with injuries, I give him a pass on that.  However, this season Guenther has proved that he is a good coach, and a worthy candidate for other teams to consider.

I also agree with some of the other opinions, that 2 years as a coordinator may not be quite enough experience to step into the role of HC of the entire team.  But, when you're the Browns, you try to latch onto any shooting star passing your way..

(01-05-2016, 10:13 PM)SunsetBengal Wrote: Let's also not forget that Guenther was in the brain trust that stocked that cabinet.  When Zimmer left, the promotion of Guenther was immediate.  No other considerations were made.  Last year was a transitional year, filled with injuries, I give him a pass on that.  However, this season Guenther has proved that he is a good coach, and a worthy candidate for other teams to consider.

I also agree with some of the other opinions, that 2 years as a coordinator may not be quite enough experience to step into the role of HC of the entire team.  But, when you're the Browns, you try to latch onto any shooting star passing your way..

(01-05-2016, 09:36 PM)Shake n Blake Wrote: Name some posters (that aren't obvious trolls) that hate every coach we've ever had. 

(01-05-2016, 07:35 PM)fredtoast Wrote: Glad to see Geunther getting some credit.

The same cast of negative fans here who hate every coach we ever had cried about how clueless he was, but we end up #2 in scoring defense.

(01-05-2016, 04:41 PM)wildcats forever Wrote: Any Bengals coach moving up to a Head Coach position would be a good thing....for them. But to move to an AFCN rival won't be looked upon kindly by Bengals fans I suspect. Just another reason to kick their ass as far as I'm concerned.

(01-05-2016, 11:58 PM)West Union KennyG Wrote: I don't believe anyone going to The Browns is making a good career move.
I submit exhibit A - https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=b6qrW1mdRmQ 

(01-05-2016, 07:36 PM)CageTheBengal Wrote: Only a fool would take a head coaching job in Cleveland it's a dumpster fire.

(01-05-2016, 10:29 PM)Rattler Wrote: Yeah it was either a D-coordinator here or in Minni - Zim has done a great job up north, unlike Leslie Frazier.

Like to see Zim again in February  

(01-06-2016, 04:15 AM)BonnieBengal Wrote: Zim is the last person I'd want to see in the Super Bowl.  He knows our defense inside and out.

(01-07-2016, 12:53 AM)jowczarski Wrote: Vance Joseph's contract is up. He will be a DC next year - anywhere that Hue goes, if Guenther goes, or any other candidates (he's got ties all over the league). People wonder if the Bengals burned any bridges by denying him interviews a year ago ... sure he was ticked, but should Guenther get hired and Marvin goes to Vance and asks if he'd be the DC -- he'd for sure consider it. If he didn't take it, it wouldn't be because he hates the Bengals.

As for head coaching jobs, the league is trending toward younger coordinators with no head coaching experience. The Browns should absolutely interview Guenther and he should absolutely agree to be interviewed. You need that experience as well -- it's not like a regular job interview, that's for sure. Just look at Adam Gase in Chicago. What makes him better now than a year ago? A year of Jay Cutler? Kind of. But he hasn't changed as a coordinator. Also, previous success and connections help. Zimmer is winning. Guenther was his guy. Bengals keep winning, defense plays well. Makes sense. That said, I'd say he's a long shot.

And the Browns will have a line out the door of former head coaches and wannabe head coaches. There are only 32 in the world. And each one of those guys believe they are The Man to turn it around.

Todd Haley had a look. It didn't work. His personality is ... interesting. He may yet get another opportunity but you can't objectively look at the Steelers offensive construct and say wow, that's amazing. Some guys might just be better coordinators (see Turner, Norv; Capers, Dom; Phillips, Wade). Also, there are skeptics about the vertically oriented passing game. It works when the QB is great. He's had two Hall of Famers run his most successful units (Warner, Roethlisberger). With so