(03-19-2016, 05:04 PM)PDub80 Wrote: ^ Which proves my point. AJ McCarron did virtually the exact same thing, only in a bigger game. A game that he had won until Hill fumbled it away. A game which Dalton has filled his pants in 4 times in a row.

You proved my point, though, with that instance you broought up. Virtually the same guy, only in his 4th game McCarron looked as good or better than AD in his 5th season. Especially in pressure games.



A game or two spread out here and there is BS for the talent around him. He wilts and shrinks far more than he rises. Not... even... close.

(03-19-2016, 05:04 PM)PDub80 Wrote: ^ Which proves my point. AJ McCarron did virtually the exact same thing, only in a bigger game. A game that he had won until Hill fumbled it away. A game which Dalton has filled his pants in 4 times in a row.

You proved my point, though, with that instance you broought up. Virtually the same guy, only in his 4th game McCarron looked as good or better than AD in his 5th season. Especially in pressure games.

(03-19-2016, 05:04 PM)PDub80 Wrote: ^ Which proves my point. AJ McCarron did virtually the exact same thing, only in a bigger game. A game that he had won until Hill fumbled it away. A game which Dalton has filled his pants in 4 times in a row.

You proved my point, though, with that instance you broought up. Virtually the same guy, only in his 4th game McCarron looked as good or better than AD in his 5th season. Especially in pressure games.

(03-19-2016, 05:41 PM)TheLeonardLeap Wrote: Lol...

Seahawks:
#2 Overall Defense
#2 Passing Defense
#1 Scoring Defense

Dalton:
68.2% Completion, 331 Yards, 7.5 YPA, 2 TD / 1 INT, 95.9 QB Rating,
7 Rushes, 18 Yards, 1 TD, 0 Fumbles

= 27 Points (w/ 1 Defensive Turnover)
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Steelers:
#21 Overall Defense
#30 Passing Defense
#11 Scoring Defense


McCarron:
56.1% Completion, 212 Yards, 5.2 YPA, 1 TD / 1 INT, 68.3 QB Rating

5 Rushes, 9 Yards, 0 TD, 3 Fumbles

= 16 Points (w/ 3 Defensive Turnovers)



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Holy crap, you're right! It's like I am staring at identical twins. I don't know how I never saw that before. Virtually the exact same thing!  

(03-19-2016, 02:49 PM)Atomic Orange Wrote: ^You are putting to much emphasis on Dalton E when it's a known fact that every player seems to disappear in big games under Marvin going all the way back to when he got here.

(03-18-2016, 01:38 PM)fredtoast Wrote: The more I look at last season compared to the rest of Dalton's career it looks more and more like a fluke.  Now we are looking at a season with an OC who has never held that position before and two of our best WRs gone.  There is a good chance Daton will struggle under these conditions.  And of course he is also trying to come back from an injury.

There are still teams out there desperate for a QB.  We could get a kings ransom for Dalton right now and I always say "sell high".  With the players and/or draft picks we get in return we could solidify the O-line and bring in some quality WRs.  Then we either roll with Mccarron or draft Cordell Jones. They are both Championship QBs.  They know how to win the big games where Dalton always fails.

(03-19-2016, 10:19 PM)BengalRed Wrote: I made a similar suggestion shortly after the Browns signed Hue as their HC. I started a thread suggesting the Bengals trade Andy to the Browns for their #2 pick (not a second round pick like some people stupidly thought I was suggesting) but THE #2 pick. I was summarily raked over the coals just as you are being. It was just a suggestion but you would have thought I was the devil incarnate.

(03-19-2016, 06:16 PM)Shake n Blake Wrote: Lets be real for a sec. McCarron was garbage in the playoff game. 3 fumbles and a pick, 68.3 rating against one of the worst pass D's in the NFL.

The only reason he had a shot to be a "hero" was that his defense held an outstanding offense to 15 points deep into the 4th quarter.

Heck, McCarron's clutch fumble in OT against the Broncos is why we even had to play the Steelers in the first place.

You may have a point if McCarron actually played well like Dalton did against tough D's like the Cards and Seahawks.

(03-19-2016, 10:30 PM)Brownshoe Wrote: What player at #2 could help this team more than Dalton? No rookie QB could come in and do anywhere near the same, and McCarron has already shown that it's hard for him to score points against any team unless the defense hands him the ball on the opponents side of the field.

(03-19-2016, 10:40 PM)BengalRed Wrote: I'm not suggesting they get a rookie QB with the #2 pick. But they could get a real playmaker. Plus they would still have the 24th pick. I believe Peter King suggested the Broncos make a trade for AJ Mc. I'm sure a lot of teams would like to have him.

(03-18-2016, 01:38 PM)fredtoast Wrote: The more I look at last season compared to the rest of Dalton's career it looks more and more like a fluke.  Now we are looking at a season with an OC who has never held that position before and two of our best WRs gone.  There is a good chance Daton will struggle under these conditions.  And of course he is also trying to come back from an injury.

There are still teams out there desperate for a QB.  We could get a kings ransom for Dalton right now and I always say "sell high".  With the players and/or draft picks we get in return we could solidify the O-line and bring in some quality WRs.  Then we either roll with Mccarron or draft Cordell Jones. They are both Championship QBs.  They know how to win the big games where Dalton always fails.

(03-19-2016, 10:19 PM)I\m BengalRed Wrote: I made a similar suggestion shortly after the Browns signed Hue as their HC. I started a thread suggesting the Bengals trade Andy to the Browns for their #2 pick (not a second round pick like some people stupidly thought I was suggesting) but THE #2 pick. I was summarily raked over the coals just as you are being. It was just a suggestion but you would have thought I was the devil incarnate.

(03-19-2016, 10:40 PM)BengalRed Wrote: I'm not suggesting they get a rookie QB with the #2 pick. But they could get a real playmaker. Plus they would still have the 24th pick. I believe Peter King suggested the Broncos make a trade for AJ Mc. I'm sure a lot of teams would like to have him.

(03-19-2016, 05:04 PM)PDub80 Wrote: ^ Which proves my point. AJ McCarron did virtually the exact same thing, only in a bigger game. A game that he had won until Hill fumbled it away. A game which Dalton has filled his pants in 4 times in a row.

You proved my point, though, with that instance you broought up. Virtually the same guy, only in his 4th game McCarron looked as good or better than AD in his 5th season. Especially in pressure games.



A game or two spread out here and there is BS for the talent around him. He wilts and shrinks far more than he rises. Not... even... close.

(03-19-2016, 05:41 PM)TheLeonardLeap Wrote: Lol...

Seahawks:
#2 Overall Defense
#2 Passing Defense
#1 Scoring Defense

Dalton:
68.2% Completion, 331 Yards, 7.5 YPA, 2 TD / 1 INT, 95.9 QB Rating,
7 Rushes, 18 Yards, 1 TD, 0 Fumbles

= 27 Points (w/ 1 Defensive Turnover)
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Steelers:
#21 Overall Defense
#30 Passing Defense
#11 Scoring Defense


McCarron:
56.1% Completion, 212 Yards, 5.2 YPA, 1 TD / 1 INT, 68.3 QB Rating

5 Rushes, 9 Yards, 0 TD, 3 Fumbles

= 16 Points (w/ 3 Defensive Turnovers)



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Holy crap, you're right! It's like I am staring at identical twins. I don't know how I never saw that before. Virtually the exact same thing!