(06-12-2015, 03:11 PM)djs7685 Wrote: PFF. They don't just give random assisted tackles to a guy because he may have been in the picture 10 feet away from a tackle.

It's not like I pulled one guys stats from 1 site and 1 from another. I try to use PFF for everything to remain consistent.

Unless there is a conspiracy of a bias against Peko? That could be it. Either that or he's just not very good. One or the other. :snark:

(06-12-2015, 03:16 PM)fredtoast Wrote: Then NFL does not credit anyone with a tackle when he was 10 feet away either.  Thanks for demonstrating your knowledge of NFL stat keeping.

Why would you just automatically believe that the guys working for PFF are right and the guys working for the NFL are wrong?

(06-11-2015, 11:51 AM)djs7685 Wrote: QB - Is both overrated and underrated by some goofballs on here, but general consensus says Andy is an average QB and I have no problem with him here in 2015. IF he stinks it up this coming season, I do think we should look into a potential replacement. Depth seems okay but lacks experience.
RB - Looks good to me, good starters, solid and young depth
WR - Looks good to me, good starters, good depth
TE - Not much playing time here, I would have liked to see them retain Gresh for this reason. The paper talent is real at TE, let's see if it translates.
OT/OG/C - Top 5 in the league as a unit, got deeper in the draft, hopefully Bodine improves from his rookie season

DE/DT - Looks like the feared 2013 unit, the band is back together. Peko still sucks though, he hasn't been good for a couple of years now.
LB - Yikes if Burfict is out, but even if he's out then we have an issue. Maualuga is mediocre, Lamur was flat out bad in 2014 (let's hope for improvement since he's young), Hawk is past his prime, Vinny Rey is mediocre at best. The good news is this D lives and dies by the line and secondary, we don't need All-Pro LBs to succeed, even though it would surely be nice to see improvement in that area.
CB - Looks good. Jones + Kirkpatrick on the outside with Leon in the slot? Sign me up, assuming Dre Kirk is ready to start full time. Dennard seems promising for the future.
S - Most underrated starters in the league, sketchy depth. Let's hope these guys continue to both play almost 100% of the snaps.

P - Awesome
K - Meh, whatever, maybe the rookie will be good? If not, Nugent is serviceable.
It's worth noting that the Bengals had/have excellent punt and kick coverage units. This goes unnoticed for a lot of fans, but ST is a big part of the game.

Overall, I like the looks of the Bengals' roster. I'd have loved to see 1 solid addition to the LB corp other than an aging Hawk, and I'd like to see a better NT on the field than Peko. I'd hardly call that "revamping the whole team", or me not liking most of the team. Lamur had a shitty 2014 and Peko flat out sucks now. Other than that, I don't really bash any/many of our players. I find that some people think that me pointing out that Andy isn't Dan Marino means that I "hate" the guy. Or when I say that Rey Maualuga isn't a 3 down LB that doesn't deserve 3 down LB money that it means I want him cut from the team.

Nice post - and I agree with most of it.  I think we made a little ground on the LB front.  I think Hawk and Dawson have the opportunity to make a difference in this position group - though the Bengals are going to have to upgrade the room over the next couple of years.


As for Peko, I think he has declined but will do better this year being able to play fewer snaps rotating with Sims and/ or Thompson.  And his forte seemed to be clogging lanes and a surprising ability to move laterally.   He was rarely the stuffer I have wanted for a while and has always seemed to allow the offense to routinely reestablish the line of scrimmage.  4-3 NT was the area that was just not addressed in the draft. 

(06-12-2015, 03:13 PM)djs7685 Wrote: So what are their "real" stats from 2013, Freddy?

(06-12-2015, 03:19 PM)djs7685 Wrote: I love how witty Fred THINKS he is. I make an exaggerated point about a guy being 10 feet away getting an assist (obviously a joke), and I get personally attacked about my knowledge of the game. Trolllolol what a tool.

(06-12-2015, 03:19 PM)djs7685 Wrote: I said I use PFF because I use them for everything to remain consistent. 

(06-12-2015, 03:23 PM)fredtoast Wrote: Sims...54 tkls....41 solo tkls...2 sacks
Peko...52 tkls....24 solo tkls...3 sacks

(06-12-2015, 03:25 PM)fredtoast Wrote: Hint:  If you want to look smart then say something real.

For example please give the exact difference in the definition of "assisted tackle" from both NFL and PFF.  Tell me what the difference is.

(06-12-2015, 03:29 PM)fredtoast Wrote: But it makes it impossible for anyone else to make an argument about a player who does not have access to the PFF stats.

The only way to have consistency in or debates is for everyone to use the same source.

But that would shoot down your argument that the NFL has a conspiracy to make Sims look bad by padding Sims stats.

(06-12-2015, 03:23 PM)fredtoast Wrote: Sims...54 tkls....41 solo tkls...2 sacks
Peko...52 tkls....24 solo tkls...3 sacks

(06-12-2015, 04:53 PM)Nate (formerly eliminate08) Wrote: What are the stats from 2014 if Peko outplayed Sims by such a large margin?

(06-12-2015, 03:36 PM)djs7685 Wrote: The NFL pads every defensive players stats, I've never been a fan of how they seem to give out assisted tackles for practically no involvement in a play.

(06-12-2015, 03:36 PM)djs7685 Wrote:  If you want info or stats, ask me. That's pretty fair and consistent. I'll give you whatever information you need.

(06-11-2015, 11:51 AM)djs7685 Wrote: QB - Is both overrated and underrated by some goofballs on here, but general consensus says Andy is an average QB and I have no problem with him here in 2015. IF he stinks it up this coming season, I do think we should look into a potential replacement. Depth seems okay but lacks experience.
RB - Looks good to me, good starters, solid and young depth
WR - Looks good to me, good starters, good depth
TE - Not much playing time here, I would have liked to see them retain Gresh for this reason. The paper talent is real at TE, let's see if it translates.
OT/OG/C - Top 5 in the league as a unit, got deeper in the draft, hopefully Bodine improves from his rookie season

DE/DT - Looks like the feared 2013 unit, the band is back together. Peko still sucks though, he hasn't been good for a couple of years now.
LB - Yikes if Burfict is out, but even if he's out then we have an issue. Maualuga is mediocre, Lamur was flat out bad in 2014 (let's hope for improvement since he's young), Hawk is past his prime, Vinny Rey is mediocre at best. The good news is this D lives and dies by the line and secondary, we don't need All-Pro LBs to succeed, even though it would surely be nice to see improvement in that area.
CB - Looks good. Jones + Kirkpatrick on the outside with Leon in the slot? Sign me up, assuming Dre Kirk is ready to start full time. Dennard seems promising for the future.
S - Most underrated starters in the league, sketchy depth. Let's hope these guys continue to both play almost 100% of the snaps.

P - Awesome
K - Meh, whatever, maybe the rookie will be good? If not, Nugent is serviceable.
It's worth noting that the Bengals had/have excellent punt and kick coverage units. This goes unnoticed for a lot of fans, but ST is a big part of the game.

Overall, I like the looks of the Bengals' roster. I'd have loved to see 1 solid addition to the LB corp other than an aging Hawk, and I'd like to see a better NT on the field than Peko. I'd hardly call that "revamping the whole team", or me not liking most of the team. Lamur had a shitty 2014 and Peko flat out sucks now. Other than that, I don't really bash any/many of our players. I find that some people think that me pointing out that Andy isn't Dan Marino means that I "hate" the guy. Or when I say that Rey Maualuga isn't a 3 down LB that doesn't deserve 3 down LB money that it means I want him cut from the team.

You pretty much nailed my feelings on most positions. I don't think Peko sucks but he should now be paid accordingly.

(06-12-2015, 07:13 PM)Stormborn Wrote: Can we all get back to the point where we don't have a single guy who can take on a double team and not get manhandled besides our starting 3T? Because that's the real issue here.

(06-12-2015, 08:49 PM)RoyleRedlegs Wrote: ...no

(06-13-2015, 08:34 PM)lostpoet2 Wrote: Cedric Peerman is a great locker room guy who is a great special teams player and serves as the team chaplain. He's also making a $745,000 salary this season. If Peko were making a similar salary and playing a reserve role, he could be useful as well.