(06-20-2015, 08:13 AM)Chris Wrote: How the hell did this total asshole get over 700 rep points so quickly????

(06-20-2015, 08:13 AM)Chris Wrote: How the hell did this total asshole get over 700 rep points so quickly????

(06-19-2015, 12:40 PM)bfine32 Wrote: Pittsburgh's Duo numbers last year:
Rushing: 352 carries for 1580 yards (4.49 YPC) and 8 TDs. Receiving: 88 catches 898 yards (10.2 YPC) 3 TDs

Cincy's Duo numbers last year:
Rushing: 390 carries for 1804 yards (4.62 YPC) and 14 TDs. Receiving: 70 catches 729 yards (10.4 YPC) 3 TDs

Why would one be an extreme homer to suggest Hill/Bernard were and will be a better Duo than an idiot Pothead and a 32 year old?

(06-19-2015, 01:13 PM)djs7685 Wrote: Lmfao, you just proved my point.

All of Pittsburgh's numbers minus about 200 rushing yards and 40 of the receiving yards come from Bell alone.

You're being foolish (and a homer) if you're going to pretend that's an apples to apples comparison when DeAngelo only had 60 carries last year.

That old man DeAngelo Williams posted 843 rushing and 333 receiving on 227 total touches in 2013, ya know, the last time he actually played instead of using his completely skewed 2014 numbers.

That "idiot pothead" is likely the best overall RB in the entire league, but nice try to downplay him because you don't agree with his recreational activities and he plays for the black and yellow.

(06-20-2015, 09:51 AM)SHRacerX Wrote: I don't think so....look again:  It said DUO. 

(06-20-2015, 10:14 AM)djs7685 Wrote: It's hilarious that people are still arguing this without realizing that the skewed statistics alone show that LeVeon Bell just about single handedly outplayed both of our RBs combined last year. I mentioned that earlier, yet some people lack the intelligence to realize what I meant by that so they come back with "no it says duo you don't understand!" I'm not the one that's missing the point here.

Pittsburgh added a solid player in Williams who has put it on the field and has had a great career minus some injury issues. That's along with a guy that pretty much was on par with our 2 "great" RBs by himself.

Hill and Bernard aren't much more than paper talent until they prove themselves, which I think they will and will easily become #1 this season. Is it really hard to ask people to wait for results before crowning Bengals players???

I wish I had access to the old board. People were so ready to trade Gio or turn him into a receiver. Almost the entire board was ready to do it, but now he's part of the BEST RB duo in the league? Uhhh, sure thing, homers.

(06-20-2015, 12:17 PM)OSUfan Wrote: You are certainly big on the debate point that you cannot prove............access to old message boards.

I am beginning to wish we had access as well as you seem to be showing some memory issues. There were very few that were ready to turn Gio into a WR and it certainly was no where close to "almost the entire board". Actually, there was more like one individual that you could not have a reasonable discussion with in regard to the talents of Gio and his worth to the franchise as a weapon at RB.

I would also disagree with whom is missing the point. The discussion is clearly "duo". So if you have the best statistical back in the league and the worst statistical back in the league then the duo does not equate to better than a duo of say the 4th and 5th best statistical backs being in the same backfield.

You want to change the entire discussion to fit what you want it to be and to condescending to others while doing it while talking about others be condescending. Irony is a funny thing.

(06-19-2015, 12:09 PM)djs7685 Wrote: Yes, A.J. is absolutely not the very best receiver in the league. It would definitely be what I would consider "over the top homerism" to claim that he is. Just like this, I think saying Hill/Bernard are #1 is over the top, you disagree, and that's fine.

It's a message board, if people are going to be upset about me "poo pooing" all over their opinion, then maybe they shouldn't post their opinion on a public forum. The internet is a crazy place, you aren't going to agree with everything that everybody says. You have a problem with me "poo pooing" and I think that's stupid, but you think it's stupid for me to be annoyed by blatant homerism. Again, around and around we go. Don't get all pissy about my poo-pooing without understanding that I have my own thoughts that differ from yours. Good job, you don't care about homerism, well I do. Get used to it.

You don't think it's over the top, but I do. Again, that's whatever you'd like to make of it, but I'm not going to change my stance because you say so.

I'm annoyed by homerism and you're not, congratulations. Don't you get annoyed by the "haters"?? Different strokes. I'm not a fan of people that I deem to be extremists in any way, whether it's homer or hater. We may have different definitions of what is extreme, but again, I'm not going to change my mind because Philhos said that I'm wrong about my opinions.

I feel that it's sort of ridiculous that I have to explain to adults why I'm putting my opinions on something on an internet message board that happen to differ with the opinions of another board member. You've been on message boards for how long? What I've said throughout this thread is very calm and rational compared to most forums on the web. I'd recommend staying around here if you don't want the big, mean internet monster to get you.

(06-20-2015, 12:34 PM)djs7685 Wrote: There were a loooot of people ready to trade Gio. You can pretend there weren't, so okay, you're right about everything.

I'm not changing anything. DeAngelo isn't the worst RB in the league and Hill and Gio certainly aren't the 4th and 5th respectively, so your example there would make sense if it fit with the players being discussed. Yes, if Williams was THE worst it would hurt Bell's stock, but the fact is, Williams was injured and had 60 carries last year, that doesn't mean he sucks now because of that. He has been a productive NFL RB even at 30+ and there is proof of that.

I'm not changing the discussion at all, I'm just saying it's really stupid to present the data as bfine did. It's skewed as all hell with DeAngelo being in Carolina and being injured for 10+ games.

Good job not being able to read and comprehend the words that I've been typing.

(06-20-2015, 01:02 PM)OSUfan Wrote: Yeah another great example of your hypocrisy. I never stated anything about any specific RB or RBs. I used a hypothetical setting which anyone with any amount of reading comprehension would have understood. Yet again you turn to be condescending.
 
Again there were not "a lot" of people ready to trade Gio.

So over the course of NFL history would you say that the vast majority of backs are highly productive when over the age or under the age of 30?


So over NFL history would you say that going into his 10th season that the odds are for or against Williams being a "productive" RB ?

(06-20-2015, 01:13 PM)djs7685 Wrote: I'd say that as of right now, at this moment, DeAngelo Williams has had a very nice career and Le'Veon Bell had an outstanding season last year. Those combined make me believe they're one of the best duos in the league and are more deserving of said title than 2 guys with hardly any snaps and stats between them.

After this year? We can talk again and I do believe Hill and Gio can cement the #1 duo in a year or two.

If you want to twist anything or show skewed stats to "prove" otherwise, be my guest. I'm done with this as it's silly that people argue against me but don't even see my point. Cincinnati is full of paper talent in a lot of positions, deal with it.

(06-20-2015, 10:14 AM)djs7685 Wrote: It's hilarious that people are still arguing this without realizing that the skewed statistics alone show that LeVeon Bell just about single handedly outplayed both of our RBs combined last year. I mentioned that earlier, yet some people lack the intelligence to realize what I meant by that so they come back with "no it says duo you don't understand!" I'm not the one that's missing the point here.

Pittsburgh added a solid player in Williams who has put it on the field and has had a great career minus some injury issues. That's along with a guy that pretty much was on par with our 2 "great" RBs by himself.

Hill and Bernard aren't much more than paper talent until they prove themselves, which I think they will and will easily become #1 this season. Is it really hard to ask people to wait for results before crowning Bengals players???

I wish I had access to the old board. People were so ready to trade Gio or turn him into a receiver. Almost the entire board was ready to do it, but now he's part of the BEST RB duo in the league? Uhhh, sure thing, homers.

(06-20-2015, 08:18 AM)djs7685 Wrote: 3. I make rational points most of the time, I just happen to go off on asshole-esque tirades from time to time. 

(06-18-2015, 06:33 PM)OSUfan Wrote: Why are you always such a downer to EVERYONE? I do not think it is that far a stretch to say our young duo could very well be near the top of the league.

(06-20-2015, 10:07 AM)djs7685 Wrote: Look again: DeAngelo Williams played in Carolina last year with a whopping 60 carries due to injury, which bfine conveniently had no problem using those stats in his post that you think is "game, set, match"

How about learning to watch football outside of Cincinnati before trying to be a little smartass next time?

It's nowhere near an apples to apples comparison by just jamming Williams numbers last year with Bells and claiming that's somewhere their combined stat line. They weren't even on the same team for one, and he only played in a few games all of last year

Keep on homin'.

(06-20-2015, 10:14 AM)djs7685 Wrote: It's hilarious that people are still arguing this without realizing that the skewed statistics alone show that LeVeon Bell just about single handedly outplayed both of our RBs combined last year. I mentioned that earlier, yet some people lack the intelligence to realize what I meant by that so they come back with "no it says duo you don't understand!" I'm not the one that's missing the point here.

Pittsburgh added a solid player in Williams who has put it on the field and has had a great career minus some injury issues. That's along with a guy that pretty much was on par with our 2 "great" RBs by himself.

Hill and Bernard aren't much more than paper talent until they prove themselves, which I think they will and will easily become #1 this season. Is it really hard to ask people to wait for results before crowning Bengals players???

I wish I had access to the old board. People were so ready to trade Gio or turn him into a receiver. Almost the entire board was ready to do it, but now he's part of the BEST RB duo in the league? Uhhh, sure thing, homers.

(06-18-2015, 04:36 PM)Brownshoe Wrote: How is the Saints that high, and the Steelers that low?

(07-03-2015, 09:28 AM)BonnieBengal Wrote: The Steelers have Bell, but a huge dropoff after that.  When he is suspended or hurt, their talent level goes way down.  We have Hill and Bernard, so I think we actually should be ranked higher than them.  I also think that Bell benefited from our terrible run defense last year.  He won't get as many yards against us this year with MJ back.