(08-20-2016, 03:16 PM)fredtoast Wrote: My overall message is that I wish we had a better kicker, but I am not going to call for him to be cut because any other kicker off the street would be better.

My criticism is aimed at the people who claim that Nugent is the only kicker in the league who misses enough FGs to make them feel "uncomfortable" every time he kicks when in fact there are very few kickers in the league who are a lot better than Nugent.  there were 157 missed FGs in the NFL last year and Nugent only had 5 of them.  So these people are going to feel uncomfortable no matter who we have kicking.  

Nuge missed 5 of 28 attempts last year.  The elite kickers who make 90% of their kicks are still going to miss 3.  So i don't see how 2 more made FGs over a 16 game schedule are really going to make all these nuge-haters feel that much more comfortable.

Plus there are guys out there like

the Cards

Chandler Catanzaro who hit over 90% of his FGs but missed 5 extra points, and the Seahawks Steven Hauschka who also hit over 90% of his FGs but missed 4 extra points.

The idea that there are a bunch of kickers out there who hit every FG and every XP is just ridiculous.  

(08-20-2016, 03:35 PM)Shake n Blake Wrote: Fwiw, Shayne Graham "only" missed 5 FGs in 2009 regular season.  Do we want to repeat history?

(08-20-2016, 03:44 PM)fredtoast Wrote: No.  That is why we should want to hold on to a kicker who is 7-8 in post season with his only miss coming from 50 yards.

(08-20-2016, 03:35 PM)fredtoast Wrote: WTF?  Kai Forbath only hit .667% of his FGs last year (10-15) and was cut by 2 teams.

It has been 8 years since Hartley hit over 82 perecnt of his FGs and he did not even play lasy year.

Is this a joke post?

The Steelers singing of Bosewell was just pure luck.  He had been cut by two other teams in '14 and '15 and was the Steelers FOURTH kicker in '15 when they signed him off the street in October.  There was no way any team would have thought there was any chance he could have made their roster,

(08-20-2016, 03:47 PM)Derrick Wrote: How's he doin' this year so far???

(08-20-2016, 03:48 PM)Shake n Blake Wrote: Forbath has a higher career FG% than Nugent. Both overall and on 50+ yarders.

(08-20-2016, 03:48 PM)Shake n Blake Wrote: Was Boswell not available last year? Is he not better than Nuge? Ok then. Like I was saying, upgrades have almost always been available at some point every year. Are you ok with the fact that good competition hasn't even been brought in at any point during Nuge's 7 year tenure?

(08-20-2016, 03:48 PM)Shake n Blake Wrote: Hartley has hit 75% of his 50+ yard tries, has only missed 1 XP for his career and has a higher overall FG% than Nuge. When we signed Nuge, he had been cut by 2 teams in the past year, and had played 7 games the previous 2 years.

(08-20-2016, 03:53 PM)fredtoast Wrote: And if we had signed him last year like you suggested we would have had the worst kicker in the entire league.

(08-20-2016, 03:56 PM)fredtoast Wrote: Yes he was.  But you can not blame the Bengals for not bringing in a guy who had never done any thing any where to try and


beat out Nugent.c

If you want to criticize the Bengals for this then you also have to criticize every other team in the league.

You are just trying to make yourself look smart by using the amazing gift of "20/20 hindsight".  That is lame.

(08-20-2016, 03:53 PM)fredtoast Wrote: And if we had signed him last year like you suggested we would have had the worst kicker in the entire league.

(08-20-2016, 03:47 PM)Derrick Wrote: How's he doin' this year so far???

(08-20-2016, 08:10 PM)GreenCornBengal Wrote: Nobody answered my question so I went back and figured it out for myself.

Here is why we didn't resign Shayne Graham.

"In 2009, Graham went 23-of-28 in the regular season, his lowest percentage — 82.1 — in his Bengals career. In the Wild Card playoffs on January 9, 2010, Graham missed two field goals in the Bengals' 24–14 loss to the New York Jets, including a 28-yard attempt that would have cut the score to 24–17 late in the fourth quarter. After the game, Marvin Lewis commented on Graham's missed field goals stating "It is a shame, and it killed us. Unfortunately kicking is mostly a one-man operation. I know Shayne feels worse about it than anyone. Those points obviously make a big difference."

It's funny. Looking back on that game, I blame the entire offense. I have never seen an offense fail so bad. Looks like we took Graham as the scapegoat. Missing a 28 yarder in the playoffs will do that though.

Nugents percentage the last three years in comparison to Grahams Bengals Career low 82.1%

2015 - 82.1
2014 - 78.8
2013 - 81.8



So the question is, did we let go a of a good kicker because he faltered in the playoffs? Seems strange coming from a Marvin Lewis team... a franchise that never brings the hammer down on anyone for playoff failures.... the case of Shayne Graham is an interesting one to me.

(this isn't to say we should sign him now. I'm not an NFL special teams coach and don't know the status of Shaynes leg and how he is physically.)

(08-19-2016, 12:09 PM)Au165 Wrote: So, what you are saying is he may be available soon!

(08-20-2016, 08:10 PM)GreenCornBengal Wrote: It's funny. Looking back on that game, I blame the entire offense. I have never seen an offense fail so bad. Looks like we took Graham as the scapegoat. Missing a 28 yarder in the playoffs will do that though.

Zach Hocker

(08-20-2016, 08:10 PM)GreenCornBengal Wrote: It's funny. Looking back on that game, I blame the entire offense. I have never seen an offense fail so bad. 

(08-21-2016, 10:59 PM)GreenCornBengal Wrote: "Kicker Zach Hocker (ankle) who got hurt in the first few days of training camp, was back at practice Sunday and it's expected he'll kick in Jacksonville ..."

(08-22-2016, 11:03 AM)jonesy84 Wrote: I was at that practice yesterday. Hocker was definitely out there kicking.  And noticeably bombing it A LOT further than Nuge,which we all know he is capable of.  But I will say this, watching it firsthand, he is also noticeably less accurate than Nuge (I know, hard to believe at the moment).  But I do believe it, because I watched it in person.  Definitely kicking it 10-15 YARDS longer than Nuge, distance-wise, but also definitely making less from the same distance as Nuge when the two were kicking together....  so just thought I'd throw that into the discussion...  

who knows, though, maybe with some more practice time coming up, he will knock off the rust and start making more, giving Nuge a little much-needed competition