(10-13-2016, 12:37 PM)Nate (formerly eliminate08) Wrote: Haha, been saying that for years but i think Billings will be the man to supplant Peko myself.

Sims seemed like the one guy who gave a damn early though and i believe ended up getting a sack.

Dunlap and Sims were about the only defensive guys who came to play IMHO.

(10-13-2016, 12:39 PM)Wyche Wrote: Truth about Billings....that one hurt this year....and most likely next.  With what we have now, I believe Simms is the better option, with Peko coming in to spell.

(09-30-2016, 09:03 PM)rfaulk34 Wrote: 1. TE and WR blocking on the end of the line
2. New RT
3. Run blitz pickup
4. Missed open lanes 

That's how i would rank the problems.

(10-13-2016, 01:49 PM)Stonyhands Wrote: Edge blocking is huge because it allows the RB that split second to make a cut and explode up field.  I've see where we've pulled Zeitler to the left on a run play designed to go left where the defender on the right side of the line goes untouched and ends up tackling our RB from behind.  Happens way too often.

(10-13-2016, 03:35 PM)bengal kitten uk Wrote: And here's a typical run play to the outside where we only managed to gain a yard:



Note that we're running out of 4WR shotgun and the defence are in the nickle with a single high safety and 4DB out wide.  In other words, hat on hat we should be able to open a lane and get 5+ yards before the safety can come up or the outside defenders can affect the play.

However, we mess up the 3v3 stunt with poor leverage and no downhill push, and the play is stopped at the line of scrimmage for a 1 yard gain.

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Great stuff BKUK, have to say, impressive.

(10-13-2016, 04:12 PM)Nate (formerly eliminate08) Wrote: Great stuff BKUK, have to say, impressive.

(09-30-2016, 08:44 PM)rfaulk34 Wrote: Let me first say, i was on the front lines, with my bull horn, screaming about how pathetic they were. Then i rewatched the game today when i got home. Every offensive play, frame by frame to find the breakdowns. 

Guys are going to get beat on occasion. That's a given. With that said, here is what i saw. 

1. Ced Ob, much more than anyone, missed a pickup or simply couldn't contain his block long enough to give the RB time to do something. 
2. TEs and WRs on the end of the line were very porous--much much more so than the 5 guys up front. 
3. Jeremy Hill missed many opportunities when there was real estate to the left or right. He had a tendency to run straight ahead into a pile when a cut either way would have given him some room...which brings me to this point; i really wonder if Hill even has the ability to be a one cut back. 

The Oline has had heaps of criticism dumped on their heads recently (this year and last) but when i went back and focused on their play and not my gut reaction while watching the game, i was very surprised in what i saw. Several holes were there for bigger gains and missed. I'd say there were more opportunities missed than there were missed blocks by a C, OG or OT. 

I know this thread won't be received well, or flat out ignored, but you can't deny what is there on tape when you look a little closer. 

(10-13-2016, 03:35 PM)bengal kitten uk Wrote: And here's a typical run play to the outside where we only managed to gain a yard:



Note that we're running out of 4WR shotgun and the defence are in the nickle with a single high safety and 4DB out wide.  In other words, hat on hat we should be able to open a lane and get 5+ yards before the safety can come up or the outside defenders can affect the play.

However, we mess up the 3v3 stunt with poor leverage and no downhill push, and the play is stopped at the line of scrimmage for a 1 yard gain.

gfycat.com

(10-13-2016, 04:25 PM)bengal kitten uk Wrote: The real props go to @rfaulk34 for this thread.  It inspired me to also rewatch the game on GamePass and discover that he was right.  I don't think our OL played as badly as we thought, it was just that Andy had to hold on the ball for too long because we were mostly running curl and out routes.

Even the sacks aren't as bad as I first thought.  For the most part you could put them down to Boling playing hurt and Ogbuehi being a rookie:

1. Zeitler pulling on a pass play
2. Boling not engaging his man and allowing him to loop back behind the man Bodine was blocking and get home from a different angle.
3. Whitworth and Boling lose a double team and let a man through while Kroft (pulling left on a pass play) misses his man as well
4. Ogbuehi just completely fails to block his man when he darts inside.  70 had committed to the outside leverage.  Luckily a penalty negated this sack.
5. Ogbuehi continuing his block when they were 4 on 2 and missing the long stunt by the DT coming completely around from the other side

I'm more concerned about the defense, tbh, and I can't bring myself to watch that tape

(10-13-2016, 03:22 PM)bengal kitten uk Wrote: Here's the crazy sack where Zeitler pulls left on what appears to be a pass play:



We have 7 on 6 in the box, then a DB shows blitz but should be picked up by Hill after the play action.  However, Zeitler inexplicably pulls, leaving us undermanned in the middle and Bodine finds himself losing leverage on the DT who gets clear through to Andy.  Note that if 68 had stayed where he was we would have had a clean pocket and given Andy several seconds to pick his target.

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(10-13-2016, 03:35 PM)bengal kitten uk Wrote: And here's a typical run play to the outside where we only managed to gain a yard:



Note that we're running out of 4WR shotgun and the defence are in the nickle with a single high safety and 4DB out wide.  In other words, hat on hat we should be able to open a lane and get 5+ yards before the safety can come up or the outside defenders can affect the play.

However, we mess up the 3v3 stunt with poor leverage and no downhill push, and the play is stopped at the line of scrimmage for a 1 yard gain.

gfycat.com

(10-13-2016, 05:13 PM)brian5562 Wrote: I'm not going to kill Zeitler for pulling. Dalton has a run pass option and decided based on what the D was showing he went with the pass. It looks like we was looking for a quick throw but the receiver didn't run the right option route and Bodine who down blocked on Zeitler's man got manhandled.

(09-30-2016, 08:44 PM)rfaulk34 Wrote: Let me first say, i was on the front lines, with my bull horn, screaming about how pathetic they were. Then i rewatched the game today when i got home. Every offensive play, frame by frame to find the breakdowns. 

Guys are going to get beat on occasion. That's a given. With that said, here is what i saw. 

1. Ced Ob, much more than anyone, missed a pickup or simply couldn't contain his block long enough to give the RB time to do something. 
2. TEs and WRs on the end of the line were very porous--much much more so than the 5 guys up front. 
3. Jeremy Hill missed many opportunities when there was real estate to the left or right. He had a tendency to run straight ahead into a pile when a cut either way would have given him some room...which brings me to this point; i really wonder if Hill even has the ability to be a one cut back. 

The Oline has had heaps of criticism dumped on their heads recently (this year and last) but when i went back and focused on their play and not my gut reaction while watching the game, i was very surprised in what i saw. Several holes were there for bigger gains and missed. I'd say there were more opportunities missed than there were missed blocks by a C, OG or OT. 

I know this thread won't be received well, or flat out ignored, but you can't deny what is there on tape when you look a little closer.