(10-14-2016, 03:42 PM)Hoofhearted Wrote: I think this much is evident when you look at the last team we beat with a current winning record. I mean I had I had track this to a week 8 win vs the Ravens in 2014 when they was 5-3! 

(10-14-2016, 03:22 PM)Shake n Blake Wrote: 3. Schwartz and Marrone had as much success early as Marv did early in his career.

(10-13-2016, 09:18 PM)fredtoast Wrote: Jack Del Rio?  The guy who has three winning seasons in 10 years as a head coach?

Hue Jackson?  The guy who has NEVER had a winning season as a head coach?  The Browns are not only 0-5, but they have been outscored by 61 points and no other team has been outscored by more than 50.


Is this supposed to be some kind of joke post?

(10-14-2016, 04:02 PM)fredtoast Wrote: How do you figure?

Schwartz was 8-24 his first two seasons and only had one season .500 or better until he was fired after winning only 29 games in 5 years.  In Marvin's first five years he had four teams .500 or better and won 42 games.

Doug Marone only won 6 games his first season and was fired after winning only 15 games in 2 seasons.  Marvin won 8 games his first season and 16 over his first two.

(10-14-2016, 11:01 PM)Shake n Blake Wrote: You know Schwartz took over the worst team of all-time, right? I don't even count his first year, in fairness to him. After that, he went 6-10, 10-6, 4-12 and 7-9. Kinda looks like Marv's pre-reboot days honestly.

Marrone had a winning season in his 2nd year with an awful franchise. While Marv didn't have a winning season until his 3rd year.

Just not seeing a big gap when comparing their early years. It seems some people forget how mediocre (and at time straight up bad) some of Marv's pre-2011 teams were. 

Perhaps you'd prefer one of the promising young coordinators to replace Marv? Since you don't like Schwartz or Marrone (who weren't my favorite candidates from that list anyway)?

(10-15-2016, 12:02 AM)jason Wrote: How about this Patricia guy from NE? We can treat this week as his audition...[emoji1]  The guy's a rocket scientist or something.

(10-14-2016, 03:56 PM)fredtoast Wrote: Just last year we beat the Chargers (1-0), Bills (3-2), and Steelers (4-3), when they had winning records.

(10-15-2016, 12:02 AM)jason Wrote: How about this Patricia guy from NE? We can treat this week as his audition...[emoji1]  The guy's a rocket scientist or something.

(10-11-2016, 01:34 AM)Utts Wrote: We do not have a coaching problem, but the coaching could be better.

We don't have an attitude or motivational problem either.

This is a talent problem. We are getting whipped in the trenches, on both sides of the ball. You can scheme around your weaknesses to a point. However, our problems appear to be bad enough, that schemes cannot overcome them.

The window has closed. It was fun while it lasted. Time to think about how this team rebuilds. Might be time to let Marvin retire, and go get Vance Joesph to come home and rebuild. We still have some core players with plenty of time left, so I could see us being a playoff team again in 2018. Maybe 2017 with some bold moves, and a little luck.

6-10 this season.

(10-14-2016, 02:07 PM)fredtoast Wrote: And I am sick of people who think change just for the sake of change fixes anything.

Some people think we have a better chance going with someone who does not have as good of a track record as Marvin.  They might be correcty or they might be wrong.

Other people think that Marvins proven ability to beat the best teams in the league over the last 3 years makes him the best candidate to bring us success.  they might be correct or they might be wrong.

Neither side has the right to claim they 100% know exactly what needs to be done.  And neither side has the right to accuse the other of "accepting mediocrity".  EVERYONE HER wants to win.  We just disagree on what is the best way to achieve this.

(10-15-2016, 08:03 AM)Hoofhearted Wrote: You're right, I am sorry. Like a dumbass, I looked at the records AFTER. Still, our last win vs a winning team is week 8 of last year. That's what 8 losses in a row vs  teams with winning records?

(10-15-2016, 04:03 PM)Beaker Wrote: I say the Bengals can pull 10-6....realistically.....really.

Here's how...

Wins: CLE, @CLE, WAS, NYG, @HOU, BAL

Losses: @NE, PIT, @BAL

Toss Ups: BUF, PHI

Take the two toss up games and they are 10-6, back into the playoffs, have no expectations, and pull off the upset to break the streak.

They only have to win 2 road games @CLE and @HOU to do that (very realistic), and could surprise PIT or @BAL to get to 11-5.

People bail too easily when things get tough.

(10-15-2016, 04:03 PM)Beaker Wrote: I say the Bengals can pull 10-6....realistically.....really.

Here's how...

Wins: CLE, @CLE, WAS, NYG, @HOU, BAL

Losses: @NE, PIT, @BAL

Toss Ups: BUF, PHI

Take the two toss up games and they are 10-6, back into the playoffs, have no expectations, and pull off the upset to break the streak.

They only have to win 2 road games @CLE and @HOU to do that (very realistic), and could surprise PIT or @BAL to get to 11-5.

People bail too easily when things get tough.

(10-15-2016, 05:00 PM)jason Wrote: I agree that we love to pile on when things aren't going well. What has me very pessimistic about their chances this year is that they seem one dimensional (throw it to AJ or pray), and the have zero explosion on offense. A team that's won over 50 games the last few seasons should be able to go into NE and put up a great fight or even win. This team struggles to put up points. They have to hold the Patriots to 17 points or so to eek out a win. It does feel early to bail on the season, but they've shown next to nothing so far.

(10-11-2016, 01:34 AM)Utts Wrote: We do not have a coaching problem, but the coaching could be better.

We don't have an attitude or motivational problem either.

This is a talent problem. We are getting whipped in the trenches, on both sides of the ball. You can scheme around your weaknesses to a point. However, our problems appear to be bad enough, that schemes cannot overcome them.

The window has closed. It was fun while it lasted. Time to think about how this team rebuilds. Might be time to let Marvin retire, and go get Vance Joesph to come home and rebuild. We still have some core players with plenty of time left, so I could see us being a playoff team again in 2018. Maybe 2017 with some bold moves, and a little luck.

6-10 this season.

(10-11-2016, 09:34 AM)Au165 Wrote: Going to have to disagree. Very little changed in the trenches from last year to this year, but with vastly different results on both sides. Andre Smith isn't the magic bullet that was giving us time last year. I also will tell you schemes are notorious for hiding bad players on the line and creating false pressure on defense. The patriots have little talent on their o line, but they protect brady by using backs and TE's to help and using quick routes/rub routes to get guys open quickly.

This team has the talent, but they lack vision in the scheme and no ability to adjust. We didn't use any bunch routes to free AJ up this weekend. They are running cover two, so how about a split end/slot go/post combo to beat cover 2? Where were the smash concepts on the outside? Why were we not moving the pocket with bootlegs and waggles to buy time? Misdirection slows down pass rush, moving the pocket makes the d lineman run farther to get to the QB.

This is not a talent problem it is an ego problem. It seems like we want to do what "we do" rather than adjusting to what "they do".

(10-15-2016, 08:03 AM)Hoofhearted Wrote: You're right, I am sorry. Like a dumbass, I looked at the records AFTER. Still, our last win vs a winning team is week 8 of last year. That's what 8 losses in a row vs  teams with winning records?