(01-03-2017, 02:25 PM)THE PISTONS Wrote: I agree Fred. We're not getting a 1st Round pick for McCarron. Maybe if he had 2-3 years on his rookie deal...but no team will give up a 1st Round pick for a guy in the last year of his contract.

I think he goes to Houston. Osweiler has essentially 1 huge year on his contract. Bring McCarron in for 1 year to play on a rookie deal, then waive Osweiler and sign McCarron.

(01-03-2017, 02:46 PM)Devils Advocate Wrote: I don't know why some of you believe he's not worth a 1st.

(01-03-2017, 02:46 PM)Devils Advocate Wrote: I don't know how much his current contract will matter. Possession is nine tenths the law. Teams don't let a good QB even sniff the open market (if AJ turns out to be good, that is). So just having (a good QB) on your roster is 99% of the battle. Once he's there, he ain't leaving. That's the risk a needy team takes by hoping to sign him as a FA.

I don't know why some of you believe he's not worth a 1st. For a team in desperate need of stability there, he's worth every bit of a that. For team within the division, he's worth more.

(01-03-2017, 02:55 PM)fredtoast Wrote: Because of history.

Teams never give up a first round pick for a back up QB.  McCarron looked good as a backup, but not better than any back up ever.

(01-03-2017, 02:25 PM)THE PISTONS Wrote: I agree Fred. We're not getting a 1st Round pick for McCarron. Maybe if he had 2-3 years on his rookie deal...but no team will give up a 1st Round pick for a guy in the last year of his contract.

I think he goes to Houston. Osweiler has essentially 1 huge year on his contract. Bring McCarron in for 1 year to play on a rookie deal, then waive Osweiler and sign McCarron.

(01-03-2017, 12:33 PM)Au165 Wrote: Your not getting a top 10 pick for AJ McCaron haha, come on now.

To those asking why wouldn't they want AJ over a rookie, the idea is based on potential and the unknown. You have seen AJ McCaron, so you know what he is. Will he be great? Short sample size says probably not, but can he be good? Sure. With a rookie get the exciting unknown that owners love and that is that they may be drafting the next hall of fame QB. The unknown strangely enough tends to be a highly valued commodity in the NFL. That is why you don't see a lot of trades for veterans, many prefer the exciting idea of what that 4th round pick may get them over the known production that vet may give them.

(01-03-2017, 12:43 PM)Nately120 Wrote: Good point, this.  I have a feeling this sort of deal doesn't get done because Mike Brown, like a message board fan, won't give up McCarron for much less than the Raiders or Vikings did in very specific situations for starting QBs with long resumes.  We're being a bit unrealistic here.

(01-03-2017, 01:05 PM)Fan_in_Kettering Wrote: Putting AJ McCarron on the trading block would be an incredibly stupid move on the Bengals' part.  Until the offensive line is fixed, Andy Dalton is just one cheap shot away from being laid out for an entire season.  I want AJ McCarron on the scene in case -- God forbid -- that would happen.

(01-03-2017, 03:08 PM)Benton Wrote: Wasn't Bledsoe traded to the Bills (in the Pats own division) for a 1st? And that guy from the Bills who got sacked all the time? Johnson?

(01-03-2017, 03:13 PM)Shake n Blake Wrote: I don't think 4-5 games tells very much about a QB though. We've seen guys like Matt Flynn, Kevin Kolb, Osweiler, Foles, Cassel, etc etc play well for a few games and flop elsewhere. To me it seems as risky as taking a college QB. Plus a rookie has 4+ years on a rookie deal whereas McC and Jimmy G have 1. 

(01-03-2017, 03:24 PM)Au165 Wrote: I agree that's kind of what I am saying. Nothing he has shown early says great, but sure he could be good, or even bad. the Potential in an unknown trumps that of an older guy with limited information.

(01-03-2017, 02:46 PM)Devils Advocate Wrote: I don't know how much his current contract will matter. Possession is nine tenths the law. Teams don't let a good QB even sniff the open market (if AJ turns out to be good, that is). So just having (a good QB) on your roster is 99% of the battle. Once he's there, he ain't leaving. That's the risk a needy team takes by hoping to sign him as a FA.

I don't know why some of you believe he's not worth a 1st. For a team in desperate need of stability there, he's worth every bit of a that. For team within the division, he's worth more.

(01-03-2017, 10:47 AM)Au165 Wrote: The reason you won't get what you want is teams over value draft picks. The contract is a detriment because if you trade him to a bad team he could flat out refuse to resign. They could franchise him, but are you going to pay him 20+ for the franchise or maybe you need it for someone else? Waiting for a compensatory pick is a losing strategy, we have "played for the comp pick" in the past and it hasn't worked well as of late. Maybe after the draft evaluation process the QB class sours and you can get a 2nd this year, but who knows sometimes guys emerge in that process i.e. become over hyped.

(01-03-2017, 03:48 PM)THE PISTONS Wrote: I think Houston is the ideal trading party.

(01-03-2017, 04:41 PM)SHRacerX Wrote: Waiting for a compensatory pick is not a losing strategy.  The Bengals have 11 draft picks in the upcoming draft.  You can bet that many of them won't make the team and wouldn't survive on the practice squad.

A compensatory pick in 2019 isn't the worst thing in the world if it ends up being a 3rd rounder.

As far as teams over valuing draft picks, I don't think there is ANY team that needs a QB that won't likely be using a first round pick on one of them.  If you could get a QB like AJM for a second round pick, where they don't get the 5th year at the cheap rookie contract like a first rounder I would think a lot of teams would be interested.  

If he refused to sign after the season, he would have to get a really good offer elsewhere which would, as a QB, almost certainly end up being a 3rd round pick (compensatory).  

So, say the Browns trade one of their 2nd rounders to the Bengals for AJM, and he wants to leave after one year, the Browns would likely get a 3rd round compensatory pick, which can now be traded, the following year.  


That is kind of "hedging your bet" if they don't work out.  

Again, I would not let him go for anything less than a second rounder.  

(01-03-2017, 11:23 AM)fredtoast Wrote: We are going to be contenders this year.

(01-03-2017, 09:29 AM)SHRacerX Wrote: There is no way in hell I take less than a 2nd round pick THIS YEAR for him. He is more valuable as a back up and the price could go up during the season next year. If someone is thinking of him as a projected starter, he is worth at least a second rounder.

(01-03-2017, 10:31 AM)kevin Wrote: I think he signed a contract that includes one more season.  He is no Carson Palmer.  I think I make him honor that contract or he can just not get paid a year if he sits out.  We will not be getting first round draft picks for this guy.....I say keep him his last year and if he doesn't like it, tough.  He may be more of a Ryan Mallett back-up than a Tom Brady starter anyway.  Lets face it, given the chance last year when Dalton injured, he did not come in and play like this guy for Dallas when Romo injured. 

(01-03-2017, 11:21 AM)McC Wrote: No way I'd trade him to Cleveland.  I'll be damned if I help them get better.