(11-30-2023, 11:50 AM)Wyche Wrote: I've read he was involved in getting McNabb in Philly. I think he was also who wanted Alex Smith. Based on that, probably Mahommes too. There's no doubt the man has an eye for QB talent and is a very good coach. It's just that we put him on a pedestal, but he's been the beneficiary of good QB play. We trash other coaches who don't produce with lackluster QB play, including our own. 


Right, and got ran out of Philly when things went south. My memory isn't what it was, but wasn't McNabb injured a bit during his last days? Point is, even great offensive minds struggle with bad QB play. Even those guys were better than what Browning put out there Sunday. Hopefully he is able to correct his mistakes moving forward.

(11-30-2023, 12:45 PM)Wyche Wrote: That is covered nicely in the article I linked. 

That said, it isn't one of the worst offenses in the league when Joe is playing. That's because it is catered to him and what he wants. The article does a great job of explaining that as well.

(11-30-2023, 01:04 PM)Sled21 Wrote: Right. People want to sing Reid's praises because he wins with Mahomes. But denounce Taylor saying he wins because of Burrow. Belicheat was the greatest coach in the football world when he won with Brady, but look at him now without Brady. It would be nice if Cincinnati's coaches got to go by the same rules everyone else's does. 

(11-30-2023, 01:16 PM)TheFan Wrote: I like Mike, and agree with most of what he says. But he also talks about how the offense doesn't create many easy options and it's a very difficult offense for everyone. Their scheme isn't fooling teams and creating easy options. So then it's just needlessly complicated. Burrow doesn't have to play hero ball, as Mike says, but he's is regularly having to make the perfect read, decision, and throw for the offense to work. Evidenced by all of the QBs who have failed in this system that's not a more or less fully healthy Burrow. 

(11-30-2023, 01:19 PM)TheFan Wrote: No one says Belicheck is a great offensive coach. He's an amazing defense coach that has had a top 5 defense for 9 of the last 20 years. And then Brady on offense. They were a perfect tandem and that's why they're both considered GOATs.

Reid has had a ton of success with multiple teams and numerous QBs. Whe. Taylor does that then we can compared the two. 

(11-30-2023, 01:26 PM)Wyche Wrote: I thought it was a pretty fair assessment. He didn't just harp on the negatives, and he didn't just sing praises. The thing that really stood out to me is the shotgun and 11 personnel. People say the coaches should scheme to the players' strength. Well, that's EXACTLY what they are doing for their prize QB, and everyone shits on them for it. Whether some want to admit or not, they won't let Zac win. This is honestly AD 2.0....lol. 

(11-30-2023, 04:59 PM)TheFan Wrote: I'm not saying Zac a dumb/bad coach, I just don't think he's a good play caller. I hope he proves me wrong and we look like a competent offense for the rest of our days. Like with most things, I'm sure the truth is probably somewhere between how little myself or others think of him and how highly you or others think. 

(11-30-2023, 05:15 PM)Wyche Wrote: Probably. Look, I'm not a fan of everything the man does by any stretch of the imagination. I don't like not playing oline starters in preseason. One of the main things I liked about him early on was his aggression. He seems to have gotten more conservative lately, I don't like that. I wish he'd stick with the run sometimes, and sometimes I understand why he doesn't. It's not all unicorns and rainbow farts with me either. That said, I like to present the other side of the coin and make people think a little. This stuff about winning in spite of him is bullshit in my opinion. I've seen plenty of talented teams flounder because of bad coaches. We have talent now, and we haven't floundered until Joe went down. The first four weeks were rough, but after that the team was starting to hit a bit of a stride. Just a little devil's advocate without the uber contrarian schtick is good for conversation.

(12-16-2023, 06:51 PM)Soonerpeace Wrote: Better today with a backup QB and Chase injured they scored 3 straight TD’s on the Vikings defense that had not given up a TD for 2 straight games

(12-16-2023, 07:02 PM)KillerGoose Wrote: I think there are some valid complaints today. Early on, I would've really liked to see Zac leaning on the running game a bit more. Even if it was only getting three yards on first down, just something to give Browning a little breathing room. He was struggling with handling the pressure and getting knocked out of his rhythm which was putting them behind the sticks. Also, the plays with Sample in the backfield on third and short are frustrating because the defense knows he isn't going to get the ball. 

Today would have been a day where I thought was a good opportunity to keep Browning involved in the RPO game and let him run off of playaction often. Third and short, let him run bootlegs and get him on the edge without clogged throwing lanes so he can make a quick decision of dishing it or scrambling. This isn't said from a place of "Zac is just awful" but just some general complaints that I had where I think it could have made the game a bit smoother. 

(12-16-2023, 07:05 PM)Soonerpeace Wrote: They struggled the first half. But listening to Jake right now Sample must be very important in the backfield. I hated the Tanner Hudson third down pass but 21 straight points on that Vikings defense was impressive.

(12-16-2023, 07:02 PM)KillerGoose Wrote: I think there are some valid complaints today. Early on, I would've really liked to see Zac leaning on the running game a bit more. Even if it was only getting three yards on first down, just something to give Browning a little breathing room. He was struggling with handling the pressure and getting knocked out of his rhythm which was putting them behind the sticks. Also, the plays with Sample in the backfield on third and short are frustrating because the defense knows he isn't going to get the ball. 

Today would have been a day where I thought was a good opportunity to keep Browning involved in the RPO game and let him run off of playaction often. Third and short, let him run bootlegs and get him on the edge without clogged throwing lanes so he can make a quick decision of dishing it or scrambling. This isn't said from a place of "Zac is just awful" but just some general complaints that I had where I think it could have made the game a bit smoother. 

(12-16-2023, 07:08 PM)KillerGoose Wrote: Yeah, I do like Sample in the backfield on longer downs. I just wasn't a fan of bringing that look out in short yardage. The team really did wake up late in the game, though, and there are a handful of plays from this game that are very memorable. 

(12-16-2023, 07:05 PM)Soonerpeace Wrote: They struggled the first half. But listening to Jake right now Sample must be very important in the backfield. I hated the Tanner Hudson third down pass but 21 straight points on that Vikings defense was impressive.

(12-16-2023, 07:12 PM)sandwedge Wrote: If Tanner would have thrown the ball back to Jake, he walks in and it would have been an awesome play...

(12-16-2023, 07:08 PM)KillerGoose Wrote: Yeah, I do like Sample in the backfield on longer downs. I just wasn't a fan of bringing that look out in short yardage. The team really did wake up late in the game, though, and there are a handful of plays from this game that are very memorable.