(06-14-2017, 04:02 PM)TheLeonardLeap Wrote: Which seems awfully unlikely considering the last time the Patriots didn't make it to the AFC Championship game was 2010.

(06-14-2017, 04:13 PM)guyofthetiger Wrote: Can the Bengals win the Super Bowl this year? Sure. Will they? Probably not yet. But, the upside looks good for this team.

Really? I thought you said we were in re-build mode and we should trade AJ Green.

(06-16-2017, 12:59 PM)Nate (formerly eliminate08) Wrote: No doubt, Awfully unlikely, they are heads and above the best team in the AFC.

We have a damn fine looking roster but in the end Belicheck is a great coach and Lewis is a terrible one when it matters the most.

[size=medium]Complete opposites in big games.[/size

(06-16-2017, 02:33 PM)BFritz21 Wrote: Belicheck is a great coach, but I think he gets way too much credit because Brady's the most clutch QB in NFL history. On top of Brady, the Super Bowls in the early 2000s can be said to have been won by great defenses.

He also got outcoached twice by the Giants in the Super Bowl and you can even say that he got outcoached against the Seahawks except for the stupid decision of them to throw from inside the five.

(06-16-2017, 02:33 PM)BFritz21 Wrote: Belicheck is a great coach, but I think he gets way too much credit because Brady's the most clutch QB in NFL history. On top of Brady, the Super Bowls in the early 2000s can be said to have been won by great defenses.

He also got outcoached twice by the Giants in the Super Bowl and you can even say that he got outcoached against the Seahawks except for the stupid decision of them to throw from inside the five.

(06-16-2017, 02:33 PM)BFritz21 Wrote: Belicheck is a great coach, but I think he gets way too much credit because Brady's the most clutch QB in NFL history. On top of Brady, the Super Bowls in the early 2000s can be said to have been won by great defenses.

He also got outcoached twice by the Giants in the Super Bowl and you can even say that he got outcoached against the Seahawks except for the stupid decision of them to throw from inside the five.

• The o-line needs to improve and jell. Not just Ogbuehi but also Fischer and Andre Smith playing a new position. We need Boling and Bodine to step up as vets and lead the young guys Smith could help too in leading.
• We need one or both of our 2 first round picks to step up. I have a lot of faith in Mixon as far as being a productive rookie. As far as the other rookies go if Lawson is as advertised he could add some real explosiveness and athleticism to our defense.
• Last years new additions need to improve and take the next step. Boyd, LaFell, Vigil and Billings especially. Not just the players though all of the new coaches. We had a new offensive coordinator and new position coaches on every spot of the defense. In my opinion there were growing pains at the beginning of last year and things gradually improved after the bye.
• And the obvious one is to stay healthy. If we can be healthy at the right time we could make a playoff run. Of course that first game has seemed to be a big obstacle for Marvin. Doesn't matter who the players or coaches are with him we've seen them all change.
  
  

(06-16-2017, 02:49 PM)Nately120 Wrote: Did you just deny a defensive minded hc credit for building a championship level defense for multiple years?

(06-16-2017, 03:59 PM)TheLeonardLeap Wrote: Pretty sure that's what just happened.

(06-16-2017, 05:27 PM)Nately120 Wrote: Take away his 7 SB rings, his resume as a gm and coach, his building of a championship defense  and his ability to value a 6th round QB over a 1st overall pick that got NE to a SB and what do you have left?  Not much. 



Not much at all. 

(06-16-2017, 02:48 PM)TheLeonardLeap Wrote: "Outcoached":


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(06-16-2017, 02:48 PM)TheLeonardLeap Wrote: How can you say he got outcoached by the Seahawks and then immediately point at the worst SB coaching decision ever made, that lost the Seahawks the game? That's the opposite of making your point.

(06-16-2017, 02:49 PM)Nately120 Wrote: Did you just deny a defensive minded hc credit for building a championship level defense for multiple years?

(06-18-2017, 06:47 PM)BFritz21 Wrote: You really think the game should have been able to come down to a play like that when the Pats were supposed to be one of the best, if not the best, teams in NFL history that year?
He got out-coached and then the Seahawks beat themselves with one stupid play.  The rest of the game, he was out-coached. 


Just in his 2001 team, most of that defense was there before Belichick, and who's to say that it was his idea to bring in the players that were new to the team and such big parts of that defense?  If that was all Bill, why hasn't the defense been a dominant force to win them a Super Bowl every year?

(06-19-2017, 11:13 AM)Nately120 Wrote: Picky picky!  The guy has 5 rings as a hc and you're looking for ways to be less impressed than most. To each his own. 

Anyways, we need to get through the Steelers before we worry about bearing the team that owns them. 

(06-19-2017, 03:05 PM)BFritz21 Wrote: I'm impressed by him, but you're the ones who pointing out specifics like "building a great defense."  Don't get me wrong, he's a great coach and GM, but he didn't build most parts of those defenses that won those titles.

Also, if Bledsoe doesn't get hurt and Brady doesn't get forced into the lineup, does he win any of those titles?