(09-11-2017, 11:09 PM)Hammerstripes Wrote: Uh, just a few years ago we "fixed" the O-line with picks in rounds 1 and 2.

Don't say that it doesn't happen, because the Bengals have done it in the past.

That being said, I still wouldn't have drafted an OT at #9.  I still wouldn't have passed on Mixon in the 2nd round or Willis in 3 or Lawson in 4.

(09-12-2017, 09:13 AM)SunsetBengal Wrote: Couple of freakin' "bargain" picks.  Look at them now, playing like crap.  I was angry the night they drafted that duo.  Would have much rather seen them take one guy that panned out, and signed a reliable, proven guy in free agency.

This team's management needs to get that "bargain" idea out of their head.  Just because they struck gold with Dunlap, Atkins and Burfict, who all fell for various reasons, does not negate the fact that most guys fall for very good reasons.

(09-12-2017, 09:54 AM)ochocincos Wrote: Margus Hunt and Devon Still are great examples. People were shocked to see them fall to the back end of the second round, and they both turned out to be duds.

(09-12-2017, 10:25 AM)SunsetBengal Wrote: I'd be interested in taking a look at the Bengals scouting department notes on some of these guys.  I'd like to have some insight into what they are seeing in some of these players, and what they are not seeing.  I also often wonder if they are just not that great at evaluating talent, or if the scouts' input is pushed aside come draft day?  Take OL for example.  They haven't really hit on an OL pick since Zeitler, and they took him in the 1st round.

(09-12-2017, 10:27 AM)ochocincos Wrote: I would love to be a fly on the wall during a team's scouting process. That'd be awesome.

(09-12-2017, 10:34 AM)SunsetBengal Wrote: Yes, we know that because they have a limited scouting dept., that the coaches also act as scouts.  Are the scouts designated to particular regions of the country, and look at all players of every position in their region?  Or, are the scouts specialized by position group?  

That would actually be a great topic/question for Jim O to look into.

(09-12-2017, 10:38 AM)ochocincos Wrote: I highly doubt the Bengals look at all players at a certain position in a particular region. There are quite a few under-the-radar players that us fans scout ourselves but hear nothing about the Bengals visiting/scouting. Now, of course they keep some stuff secret, but I think they also just simply don't have enough scouts/coaches to cover enough players.

Related note - I'm sure the Bengals could employ some of the fans on this board on the cheap (or even voluntary) to help scout prospects for them.

(09-12-2017, 10:50 AM)SunsetBengal Wrote: Yeah, I sort of take issue with the coaches acting as scouts.  I feel like they should be more concerned with improving the talent already on their hands, and not have their attention divided by trying to identify prospective talent.  I mean, think about it.  The college season is now, the NFL season is also now.  So many players, so many games, and films don't show everything that a person would notice in live attendance.  Going to combine, orchestrated pro days, and Senior Bowl week, in my opinion, don't give as true of an insight into players as actually watching them in live games with their team.  

(09-12-2017, 10:53 AM)ochocincos Wrote: Exactly! If the Bengals had more actual scouts, they'd be able to scout college games during the regular season rather than have to do all their scouting after the fact.

(09-12-2017, 07:41 AM)Bengalboy Wrote: Interesting. I haven't watched that game yet, but PFF didn't rate him very high at all.

They had him at 33.9 overall with a Pass block of 68.7 and a Run Block of 29.5. That's worse than Bodine for week 1. But in fairness other players on that Minnesota line got much better ratings so perhaps he was masked somewhat. Will have to watch that game tonight if i can.


Looking at Bodine's Rank though he was 36.2 but he was 15.5 on Pass Block and 48.9 on Run Block. 15.5 on pass block !!! that's some kind of special. And watching the game its spot on as to how bad Bodine was in pass blocking.

(09-11-2017, 03:29 PM)Au165 Wrote: TJ Johnson isn't better than that?

(09-12-2017, 09:13 AM)SunsetBengal Wrote: Couple of freakin' "bargain" picks.  Look at them now, playing like crap.  I was angry the night they drafted that duo.  Would have much rather seen them take one guy that panned out, and signed a reliable, proven guy in free agency.

This team's management needs to get that "bargain" idea out of their head.  Just because they struck gold with Dunlap, Atkins and Burfict, who all fell for various reasons, does not negate the fact that most guys fall for very good reasons.

(09-11-2017, 08:39 PM)bengalfan74 Wrote: Was just watching the Vikings on a drive and paying particular attention to their rookie center Elflein. Night and day difference compared to our 4th year center ! Tune in and watch, you'll be amazed by watching actual blocking.

(09-12-2017, 04:12 PM)Bengal Dude Wrote: I feel bad for Boling. He's basically going to go through what Bobbie Williams did in 08. A good guard put in between a terrible tackle and terrible center. He'll wind up looking really bad in the process and fans will want him gone. 

(09-11-2017, 03:23 PM)Hammerstripes Wrote: Depending on the draft class, this is where I'm going:

1st round:  Left Tackle
2nd round:  Center
2nd round (trade up): OG

I didn't think things would possibly be this bad, but they are.  I think we can live with Fisher and Boling on this line.  I'll hold off judgement on Fisher until the year is over, since he seems to have some promise.

I just don't think Ced is physically cut out to play in the NFL.

(09-12-2017, 10:34 AM)SunsetBengal Wrote: Yes, we know that because they have a limited scouting dept., that the coaches also act as scouts.  Are the scouts designated to particular regions of the country, and look at all players of every position in their region?  Or, are the scouts specialized by position group?  

That would actually be a great topic/question for Jim O to look into.

(09-12-2017, 04:19 PM)3wt Wrote: I don't really know what to think about Boling.  He's athletic, seems to have good technique and can pull like a champ.   But he has trouble anchoring and does not seem to get a lot of push.  Kind of like Steinbach was (though not quite as good an athlete)

(09-12-2017, 04:35 PM)Bengal Dude Wrote: He's definitely a poor man's Steinbach, but these kinds of players aren't a bad thing to happen. The problem is that he's arguably the best OL we have right now. He's basically in between being a role player and a star of the team.