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RE: Was Kirkpatrick over Zeitler the right choice? - RoyleRedlegs - 09-29-2017
(09-29-2017, 01:03 PM)Nate (formerly eliminate08) Wrote: While i agree there are tons more aspects to being a run blocker than just pulling your comparison to Brady not
being a good QB because he isn't a good running QB is another ludicrous thing to say. Not even close to what i am
saying and is just a lazy analogy.
Boling is a fine pulling Guard and was the only Guard that could do it last year. Heck, even Og is a good pulling OT.
This is mostly on PA, with his blocking scheme which is passive and does not work to his Lineman's strengths.
If you are arguing we should of gave Zeitler a much better offer than we did as Pistons brought to our attention i
agree, but he was overpaid by the Clowns and to say different to me is crazy.
We should of paid Whit what he got from the Rams, not what Zeitler got from the Clowns.
Og is not a good pulling OT. Stop the insanity man.
RE: Was Kirkpatrick over Zeitler the right choice? - Nate (formerly eliminate08) - 09-29-2017
(09-29-2017, 07:37 PM)RoyleRedlegs Wrote: Og is not a good pulling OT. Stop the insanity man.
Whit is not a good pulling OT, there is a little more insanity for you.
The only thing i have really seen Og do well at times is pull block.
BTW, congrats, reminds me of debating Fredtoast. Take one sentence out and ignore all the rest.
RE: Was Kirkpatrick over Zeitler the right choice? - snowy - 09-29-2017
(09-28-2017, 01:17 PM)Nate (formerly eliminate08) Wrote: He still is a flambouyant fella as well huh Harley lol
(09-28-2017, 02:37 PM)HarleyDog Wrote: Yeah, and that too.
Drama Queen Dre.
RE: Was Kirkpatrick over Zeitler the right choice? - jfkbengals - 09-29-2017
Yes. DBs are far more valuable than guards, especially over guards that want the top contract.
RE: Was Kirkpatrick over Zeitler the right choice? - Whatever - 09-30-2017
(09-29-2017, 11:29 AM)THE PISTONS Wrote: You're missing the big picture. They offered him $5.5 million a year according to Lapham.
IF the Steelers offered DeCastro $5.5 million...and he went to free agency I'm sure he would have signed a huge contract too. But they were smart enough to offer him a reasonable contract BEFORE free agency...not $5.5 million a year.
Maybe had they offered him $8 or 9 million a year he accepts it? Instead they lowballed him.
Serious question: Are you rooting for the Bengals profit margin or the team actually putting a good team on the field?
$5.5 mil a year would tie him for the 21st highest paid G in the league this year. That was also the floor for negotiations. I'm relatively certain his agent could get $7 mil a year, maybe $8 depending on guaranteed money and performance incentives.
I don't know why you keep bringing up DeCastro, because Zeitler isn't nearly as good. DeCastro established himself as an elite G. Zeitler established himself as a good, but not great player, who is playing at an average level after signing a mega deal.
Seriously, Zeitler is playing at an average level, and is making $12 mil a year while the average contract for a starter at his position is $3 mil. With his current level of play, if the Bengals offered him $9 mil a year, he'd still be making 3x what he's worth.
I want the Bengals to be successful on the field, but overpaying good, but not elite players at non-premium positions is not a plan for long term success. Seriously, even with Zeitler, this team is still probably 0-3. Overpaying to keep Zeitler only makes the team marginally better this year, and hurts the team in future years. Plus,being blunt, I don't really have any confidence that Marvin Lewis can take this team any further than he has. He should have been fired last year, and needs to go after this year. Just as Marvin got his big FA haul of Kevin Hardy, Torrey James, and John Thornton when he took over, the new coach will likely get a run at FA to bring in his kind of players. Would you rather waste the money Zeitler got trying to save Marvin's job or have it go towards giving a new coach the best chance possible?
RE: Was Kirkpatrick over Zeitler the right choice? - RoyleRedlegs - 09-30-2017
(09-29-2017, 07:42 PM)Nate (formerly eliminate08) Wrote: Whit is not a good pulling OT, there is a little more insanity for you.
The only thing i have really seen Og do well at times is pull block.
BTW, congrats, reminds me of debating Fredtoast. Take one sentence out and ignore all the rest.
Whit isn't a good pulling OT? Are you....
This reminds me of debating a 12 year old girl.
Don't know what they are talking about and just saying negative things about their ex because they're bitter