(02-09-2018, 12:22 PM)depthchart Wrote: Giving Marvin the Steeler game that he was oh so close on would have killed the "no playoff win" chants.

People have a right to make those chants but in my mind it oversimplifies a bigger issue.

The same people can chant the same "no playoff win" chants about Dalton, yet Dalton didn't even get to play in the playoffs with what would have been his best team in 2015. Marvin without Dalton for his 2015 team.

I see things more in Ranges.

Say a Range of Aptitude for Mike & Marvin.

7 to 10 wins with 11 to 12 possible in the Regular Season. (12 and 4 in 2015)

In my mind, teams that win 10 to 12 games in a Regular season are more than capable of winning a Playoff game.

It would not surprise me one bit if Mike & Marvin win a Playoff game within the next two years because they have been on that Bubble quite often. The chanters imply it to be an impossibility and that the 2015 team even with a healthy Dalton was incapable.

I see a glimmer of Hope here but Mike & Marvin's Range of Aptitude may not extend much beyond say getting that controversial Playoff win someday.

So in short, I think they can build a Playoff game winning team someday and had at least two in the past that were capable. (2015 & Palmer/Henry team)

I am not as hopeful that their Range of Aptitude would extend much beyond a Playoff win or maybe even two, however.

They do not go for it enough with personnel moves to go much further than that and Marvin may not be in the caliber of many of the successful playoff coaches he competes against.

I am trying to dial in a Range of what may be hoped for in a realistic way while having 0 and 7 chanters in my ear.

I don't include you as a chanter. I have found you to be very realistic.

(02-10-2018, 12:41 AM)fredtoast Wrote: How many mentions of 0-7 get posted here per day?

If it doesn't happen much then you don't have to worry about seeing your quote brought up very often, do you?

(02-10-2018, 02:47 PM)McC Wrote: This is an online reading comprehension course:

https://www.openlearning.com/courses/readingcomprehension

I suggest you take it.

(02-09-2018, 09:19 PM)McC Wrote: They mean nothing.  Ancient history.  Might as well be a hundred years ago, Geoff.

(02-10-2018, 05:40 PM)fredtoast Wrote: Thank you so much.  After reading that and then reading this comment by you...


I have concluded that you believe that Marvin's 0-7 record in the playoffs is meaningless.

As far as I can tell your coment can't mean anything other than that.

(02-10-2018, 07:22 PM)McC Wrote: Allow me to correct your faulty connection here.   The 0-7 is the exact reason why his trips to the playoffs are meaningless.  Unless what you're after is anger, sadness, dashed hopes, that is.

(02-11-2018, 12:38 PM)fredtoast Wrote: But if we are talking about anything bad (playoff losses) then that is all that matters and basically can be used to  prove that every single decision ever made by the Bengals is wrong.

Got it.  

(02-11-2018, 02:20 PM)grampahol Wrote: Suppose mother happiness falls on the Bengals this season and they actually win the SB.. I can already envision the arguments that g-dammit it took 51 freaking years! ...not to mention all the squeeler fans screaming it was rigged.. It might be worth it just for those bitter tears of squeelerdom.. 

(02-11-2018, 02:20 PM)grampahol Wrote: Suppose mother happiness falls on the Bengals this season and they actually win the SB.. I can already envision the arguments that g-dammit it took 51 freaking years! ...not to mention all the squeeler fans screaming it was rigged.. It might be worth it just for those bitter tears of squeelerdom.. 

(02-11-2018, 02:26 PM)HarleyDog Wrote: If we win a SB? I don't care what any steeler fan has to say. It will be our year and no pissing allowed.

(02-11-2018, 12:38 PM)fredtoast Wrote: In other words...

If we are talking about anything positive (Division Titles, playoff appearances) then they are meaningless.

But if we are talking about anything bad (playoff losses) then that is all that matters and basically can be used to  prove that every single decision ever made by the Bengals is wrong.

Got it.  

(02-10-2018, 12:32 PM)dnkw Wrote: Was the O-line really even that good during the playoff seasons? I do not particularly remember it dominating anyone (certainly not from a rushing perspective).

And 2015 wasn't its fairly decent rating inflated due to Dalton getting rid of the ball quickly?

I would be interested to see how this team might progress with a genuinely good OL.

(02-11-2018, 03:37 PM)McC Wrote: Hell, the best team he has had here had the most mind numbing, most agonizing, most gut wrenching loss of all.

You really don't see the pattern?