(02-28-2018, 01:54 AM)Go Cards Wrote: Yep thought it at least warranted another look and Bodine has not done much to distinguish himself either. 

Wait a minute I stand corrected, he certainly has distinguished himself.  

Just not in a very good way.    

(02-28-2018, 01:55 AM)Go Cards Wrote: What other teams offer Bodine in FA will be a good measuring stick.

(02-28-2018, 05:50 AM)Socal Bengals fan Wrote: he's to thin in my book. I know he's similar to Jackson n Brown but he's seems even thinner than those two. id much go for a guy like Christian Kirk of Texas A.M than Ross. Kirk has same build as Steve Smith n just as fiery.. not impressed from what I saw from Ross .  hopefully he changes my mind

(02-28-2018, 08:07 AM)HarleyDog Wrote: Well it’s Marvin and considering his shortcomings in the past and his failure to learn and adjust, one could say he doesn’t take it as seriously as we wished he would?

(02-28-2018, 11:58 AM)fredtoast Wrote: I don't remember that being the case.  I think it was more a case of some Bengal fans seeing what they wanted to see.  Just like so many Bengal fans claimed Peko was garbage for years.  Or the ones today who claim Kirkpatrick is garbage.

We also do not know how limited the Bengal offense was with Johnson at center. 

(02-28-2018, 02:03 PM)fredtoast Wrote: Pats got burnt paying Rex $3.2 million for 500 yards from scrimmage.  Bet they don't make that mistake again this year.



Money had nothing to do with it.

Whalen was signed and released by two teams after the Bengals (Minn, SF)

Alford was signed and released by three teams after the Bengals (NYJ, Cle, Chi)

Hamilton was signed and released by three teams after the Bengals (Mia, Car, Pitt)

Binns was signed and released by two teams after the Bengals (Mia, KC)

The fact is that Bengal coaches see all of these players in hundreds of snaps in practice.  The coaches have a very good idea about who the better players are.  If Ross, Core, or malone was better than LaFell then i'd say the coaches would have played them.


 

(02-28-2018, 03:56 PM)SHRacerX Wrote: When Burkhead was healthy, he was a very solid contributor.  

Those other players were players you brought up to try and support your argument, not me.  I think the fact that Lafell played over those other players not only stunted their development, but showed other players that "we play the players we pay" and that is a poor message to send.  Ross, Core, and Malone are still unknowns heading in to this year.  And they still have Lafell.  I hear our odds for Super Bowl are 100-1.  Could this be a part of the reason?  And Marv being retained?  

Don't know to laugh or cry.  

(02-28-2018, 03:56 PM)SHRacerX Wrote:  I think the fact that Lafell played over those other players not only stunted their development, but showed other players that "we play the players we pay" and that is a poor message to send. 

(02-28-2018, 03:56 PM)SHRacerX Wrote: Ross, Core, and Malone are still unknowns heading in to this year. 

(02-28-2018, 05:22 PM)fredtoast Wrote: Actually they played the players who looked the best in practice and that is a MUCH better message to send than "We will play everyone no matter how they look in practice".



No they are not.  Why do you keep making claims like this?  There is NO OTHER TEAM in the league that plays every player on the roster just for the heck of it.  Instead they play the players who do the best in practice.  That is the way it works in the NFL.  You can call Ross an "unknown" because he was injured most of this year, but the coaches have seen plenty of Core and Malone in practice.

(02-28-2018, 05:22 PM)fredtoast Wrote: Actually they played the players who looked the best in practice and that is a MUCH better message to send than "We will play everyone no matter how they look in practice".



No they are not.  Why do you keep making claims like this?  There is NO OTHER TEAM in the league that plays every player on the roster just for the heck of it.  Instead they play the players who do the best in practice.  That is the way it works in the NFL.  You can call Ross an "unknown" because he was injured most of this year, but the coaches have seen plenty of Core and Malone in practice.

(03-01-2018, 10:12 AM)SHRacerX Wrote: Yeah, John Ross must look awful in practice....with the exception of the video he posted on twitter called "healthy scratch" where he is doing things to our defense that I have NEVER seen Lafell do to ANY team.  

And I guess your message about practice holds true for the offensive line, right?  Westerman and Redmond looked worse in practice than Bodine or Hopkins?  Bullshit.  You obviously don't realize the time constraints of an NFL practice and the starters get the vast majority of the reps.  Marv never gave Core or Malone the chance in practice to prove themselves to the extend that Lafell would be out there.  It is who was being paid.....their big FA acquisition, Captain Average (Lafell).

Since Marv's strategy worked so well as to motivate Ross to post a video of what really happens in practice, maybe Westerman, Redmond, Core, and Malone should do the same.  It was immature, and the wrong thing to do, but it got a lot of people on here off Ross's back and on to Marvins.  You should like that idea, because it is based on what they do in "practice" 


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(02-28-2018, 05:22 PM)fredtoast Wrote: Actually they played the players who looked the best in practice and that is a MUCH better message to send than "We will play everyone no matter how they look in practice".



No they are not.  Why do you keep making claims like this?  There is NO OTHER TEAM in the league that plays every player on the roster just for the heck of it.  Instead they play the players who do the best in practice.  That is the way it works in the NFL.  You can call Ross an "unknown" because he was injured most of this year, but the coaches have seen plenty of Core and Malone in practice.

(02-28-2018, 01:55 AM)Go Cards Wrote: What other teams offer Bodine in FA will be a good measuring stick.

(03-01-2018, 12:43 PM)Go Cards Wrote: If he was so bad then clearly a mistake was made by not going for a position of need and jumping on Ross in draft.

They just need to admit it then and move on or at least motivate him.  

But calling BS and think he will suddenly be a contributor this year.

If coaches believe he will not be ? Trade him now while he still has value.

Some team surely was high on him and will take a chance.

Or is the plan to just sit him until he walks for free ?

(03-01-2018, 01:03 PM)Sled21 Wrote: I don't think that acknowledging that Ross was pretty much a bust his rookie year, be it due to injuries he hid, or from lack of understanding what it takes in the NFL to learn the playbook and be on the same page as everyone else, dooms him to be "that" his whole career. What I am hoping, is that it opened his eyes and he will come in this year more prepared, healthy,  and have a break out year. Remembering he did not get to participate in a lot of team activities last year due to his graduation schedule.

(03-01-2018, 01:03 PM)Sled21 Wrote: I don't think that acknowledging that Ross was pretty much a bust his rookie year, be it due to injuries he hid, or from lack of understanding what it takes in the NFL to learn the playbook and be on the same page as everyone else, dooms him to be "that" his whole career. What I am hoping, is that it opened his eyes and he will come in this year more prepared, healthy,  and have a break out year. Remembering he did not get to participate in a lot of team activities last year due to his graduation schedule.

(03-01-2018, 10:12 AM)SHRacerX Wrote:  It was immature, and the wrong thing to do, but it got a lot of people on here off Ross's back and on to Marvins.  You should like that idea, because it is based on what they do in "practice" 

(03-01-2018, 12:33 PM)Nately120 Wrote:  we were excited to get a coach who "Got in players faces and held them accountable" but who would also "Play Ross with his bum knee and shoulder and lack of playbook knowledge no matter what because, why not?"

(03-01-2018, 03:37 PM)fredtoast Wrote: Exactly.

If Marvin had played Ross with his injuries the exact same people would be squaling about how Marvin was "mortgaging the future to try and save his career" because he should not have played an injured rookie when the season was already lost.

And Marvin runs the ball too much in the second half but should be fired for not running the ball more in the second half of the San diego playoff game.

The people who hate Marvin the most have no real set football values.  All they do is wait and see what Marvin does then they hate on it.

(03-01-2018, 03:49 PM)coachmcneil71 Wrote: Marvin's record as a HC speaks for itself. The facts are plain and clear for all to observe.

(03-01-2018, 04:00 PM)fredtoast Wrote: Exactly.  Despite having the handicap of the worst owner in the league Marvin wins more than he loses against other NFL coaches.

(03-01-2018, 04:00 PM)fredtoast Wrote: Exactly.  Despite having the handicap of the worst owner in the league Marvin wins more than he loses against other NFL coaches.