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RE: Football as we know it is Over - Nate (formerly eliminate08) - 03-29-2018
(03-29-2018, 03:58 PM)StoneTheCrow Wrote: USA Today wrote something about how they went back to a Pitt Cincy game and under the new rule their would’ve been 24 (twenty-four) 24 two-four!!! such penalties called in ONE half.
All on Cincy lol
But seriously if they called these games fair the Stealers should be racking up records in this category.
RE: Football as we know it is Over - bengals67 - 03-29-2018
(03-27-2018, 08:21 PM)jj22 Wrote: It's not the crown of your helmet. It's your helmet at all. That's the big difference. Before it was face up, see what you hit. That's illegal now too. It's a significant change that forces arm and shoulder tackles (which means more misses and whiffs). You can't lead with your helmet. Means you cant bend down. Think about how hard that will be.
It's a major change, as stated in the article. It's not just taking out a couple bad plays.
I don't like it. I think it'll be too hard to officiate fairly. Especially if offensive players get low.
Very subjective rule which will cost some teams some games
RE: Football as we know it is Over - jj22 - 03-29-2018
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2018/03/29/nfl-vows-lowering-helmet-rule-will-be-a-substantial-change-to-the-sport/
The comments! People see what's coming.
RE: Football as we know it is Over - Sled21 - 03-30-2018
(03-29-2018, 03:51 PM)Nate (formerly eliminate08) Wrote: Same here, they are ruining the game in the name of safety.
Ruin lots of things nowadays in the name of safety, but i don't mind this at all as long as there are less
concussions and the penalties don't skyrocket. Have to wait on the zebras long enough as it is.
This also pretty much does away with the QB sneak as a play, because how is a QB going to duck and sneak under the line without lowering his head?
RE: Football as we know it is Over - Bronxbengal - 03-30-2018
(03-27-2018, 07:32 PM)reuben.ahmed Wrote: AKA Dre K. technique
No it is not hard to officiate and it has been a rule at the high school level for a decade. If a player knows and has learned proper technique at the high school level, he should be able to do the same at the collegiate and pro level. As an official, the worst feeling is seeing a player get taken off the field on a stretcher. The Shazier hit on Mixon and as well as Gio should have been illegal at the pro level because it was spearing. Do I feel bad for Shazier? Yes, but he should have known better. You play with fire you will get burnt.
RE: Football as we know it is Over - Gohards - 03-30-2018
I'm not sure if someone posted this already but, this is insane.
https://ftw.usatoday.com/2018/03/nfl-rule-changes-2018-targeting-helmet-to-helmet-bengals-steelers
RE: Football as we know it is Over - PV Bengal - 03-30-2018
(03-30-2018, 11:16 AM)Gohards Wrote: I'm not sure if someone posted this already but, this is insane.
https://ftw.usatoday.com/2018/03/nfl-rule-changes-2018-targeting-helmet-to-helmet-bengals-steelers
IMHO, even though the "rule" (as stated, anyway) applies to every player, I believe that the refs will be looking primarily at the defensive side of the ball and running backs .. at least initially.
RE: Football as we know it is Over - jorev5 - 03-30-2018
I hate to say it, but my interest in the NFL overall has declined little by little over the past decade and a half. Bad referring, ruling on catches and PI. I still read up on the Bengals every year and still a big fan, but I put a little more interest in MLB and Soccer these days.
RE: Football as we know it is Over - jj22 - 03-30-2018
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2018/03/30/will-the-nfl-now-have-a-charging-rule/
RE: Football as we know it is Over - sandwedge - 03-30-2018
(03-30-2018, 11:16 AM)Gohards Wrote: I'm not sure if someone posted this already but, this is insane.
https://ftw.usatoday.com/2018/03/nfl-rule-changes-2018-targeting-helmet-to-helmet-bengals-steelers
After watching this, I don't see how they can any consistency in calling this at the line of scrimmage? On the 2 videos, Bodine and Kroft, I see that as just blocking and no one trying to really "kill shot" someone. You do have to get leverage.
On the tackle video, Sensabaugh clearly came in with his head lowered until he saw Mixon lower his shoulder and trucked his sorry ass!
RE: Football as we know it is Over - BengalHawk62 - 03-30-2018
This is actually just a rule for everyone else in the league besides the steAlers. They can play like they always have. In fact, if the Bengals even show up and look at the steAlers, that's a automatic 15 yard penalty, loss of down, ball automatically goes to the steAlers, ejection of all guilty players, loss of game check, a $50000 fine, and we have to give our first round draft pick to them.
RE: Football as we know it is Over - Tomkat - 03-30-2018
(03-30-2018, 01:22 PM)sandwedge Wrote: After watching this, I don't see how they can any consistency in calling this at the line of scrimmage? On the 2 videos, Bodine and Kroft, I see that as just blocking and no one trying to really "kill shot" someone. You do have to get leverage.
On the tackle video, Sensabaugh clearly came in with his head lowered until he saw Mixon lower his shoulder and trucked his sorry ass!
Holy shit, people - the new rule does not outlaw all helmet-to-helmet contact. 2 lineman who FACE EACH OTHER while blocking IS NOT AN ISSUE, AT ALL. Now, if one of them LOWERS THE HEAD and tries to truck the other then... well, there ya go.
RE: Football as we know it is Over - sandwedge - 03-30-2018
(03-30-2018, 02:07 PM)Tomkat Wrote: Holy shit, people - the new rule does not outlaw all helmet-to-helmet contact. 2 lineman who FACE EACH OTHER while blocking IS NOT AN ISSUE, AT ALL. Now, if one of them LOWERS THE HEAD and tries to truck the other then... well, there ya go.
That was my point....Linemen bang heads all the time.
RE: Football as we know it is Over - grampahol - 03-30-2018
Rules have always changed from time to time. If you think back to the origins of all these sporting events they were informal affairs when nobody was paid. They were just local groups getting together for informal rumbles and such .. It was basically bragging rights to see who had the meanest guys in town.
My grandfather played catcher with just the barest of shin protection when players sharpened the spikes on their shoes to inflict the maximum damage possible and his old legs really showed it .
The game isn't going to stop being played ,but since players are now huge financial investments by teams they have a need to try to protect their investment.
I suspect that if players were still paid the way they once were the rules wouldn't have even had a need for change . If you're paying some guy with extraordinary skills at a premium position millions of dollars every season you really don't want to expose him to potentially losing the use of his legs, arms and so on .
A few fans like seeing guys getting mutilated and dragged off in a pile of blood and gore, but only when it's the other team . After all, if it's going to be a game of gore and blood then just drag poor suckers off the streets to entertain the masses. Otherwise it doesn't make financial sense to pay out millions upon millions for guys who might not live to see their own children grow up. When you get right down to it none of it makes sense, paying grown men millions of dollars to risk life and limb for a few hours of Sunday entertainment ? There really are much safer ways to be entertained. Why not just Sunday afternoon televised pornography? Nobody gets hurt, but oh! That's immoral as opposed to guys getting their arms and legs mangled in the name of entertainment . Much more morality involved.
RE: Football as we know it is Over - 3wt - 03-30-2018
(03-27-2018, 06:52 PM)Nate (formerly eliminate08) Wrote: Yes sir it is.
He led with his shoulder actually lol
Spot on with the rest of your post though. Exactly, wrap up instead of head hunting and trying to knock out players.
Shawn and George missed their fair share of tackles last season for this very reason. Now they have to clean it up.
Yup
RE: Football as we know it is Over - Nate (formerly eliminate08) - 03-30-2018
(03-30-2018, 08:33 AM)Sled21 Wrote: This also pretty much does away with the QB sneak as a play, because how is a QB going to duck and sneak under the line without lowering his head?
I doubt they take out Tom Brady's bread and butter man.
RE: Football as we know it is Over - Tomkat - 03-30-2018
(03-30-2018, 02:10 PM)sandwedge Wrote: That was my point....Linemen bang heads all the time.
Yep, and as long as they're not LOWERING THEIR HEADS (facing the ground) to do so, they'll be fine.
RE: Football as we know it is Over - jj22 - 03-30-2018
It's not "lowering your head", it's leading with the helmet which encompasses a lot. That's what the big debate is about on how this is even possible to officiate.
RE: Football as we know it is Over - fredtoast - 03-30-2018
(03-30-2018, 04:50 PM)jj22 Wrote: It's not "lowering your head", it's leading with the helmet
Everything I have read says "lowering the head" to initiate contact with the helmet.
Initiating contact with the helmet is still okay as long as you do not lower your head.
I think RBs will be effected more than defensive players.
RE: Football as we know it is Over - fredtoast - 03-30-2018
(03-29-2018, 08:35 AM)Sled21 Wrote: No, it's for both sides of the ball. As for football as we know it being over, I'm more pissed that they are discussing doing away with kickoffs and starting the game with a punt.
I actually like that rule. Same excitement of a return except without 22 players running at each other full speed.
And it would not have to be a punt. It will be a fourth and 10 or 15 and going for it would be like an onside kick.