(12-28-2018, 06:28 PM)Whatever Wrote: In fairness, even casual draftniks knew EJ wasn't a good prospect and would get massively over drafted by a desperate team. 

McShay definitely plays the curve game, though.  He's had at least 1 QB in his Top 10 9 of the last 11 years, and at least one QB with an 89+ rating 10 of the last 11.

100% with you on hating McShay, though.  If Jameis Winston was a 97 rating and noodle armed Mark Sanchez was a 96, he should have Haskins in the 115-120 range.

(12-28-2018, 06:28 PM)Synric Wrote: I'm not sure which one you're talking about but it fits both Stidham and Jones.

...And I do think the Bengals will target a QB in the 3-5th rounds. In fact I believe Mason Rudolph would have been in stripes in the Steelers didn't trade up one pick ahead of the Bengals.

(12-28-2018, 06:38 PM)Au165 Wrote: But that’s the thing he thought those guys were that good. How good someone is coming out and their success can be mutually exclusive. Could Sanchez have been good in another organization without Rex Ryan? Probably. Could Jameis be good if he stayed out of trouble and stopped turning the ball over? Sure. All they can rate them on is what they see in college and how it projects. Sometimes dudes are playing at their ceilings other times they have just scratched their potential.

Drafting a QB more than any position in the NFL is a crap shot. Which is why I always laugh when guys want to move on from Dalton so quickly. Sure you could do better, or you could be the browns or jets spending two decades looking for your franchise QB.

(12-02-2018, 06:40 PM)motoarch Wrote: He’ll be off the board before we pick.  Raiders will take him.

(12-03-2018, 10:35 PM)bengalfan74 Wrote: I believe Haskins is going to be the exception to Ohio St. QB's NFL wise. But I think he needs another season to fully develop.

(12-04-2018, 01:27 PM)motoarch Wrote: Raiders, jags and giants sit ahead of us in the draft and all three need a qb.  So I really see no point in discussing this kid.  He won’t be on the board when we get up.  

Some will argue the raiders may or may not be in the market for qb but either way the giants and jags most certainly are.  So who do we like assuming the 2 best options are gone already?

(12-20-2018, 08:28 AM)Jason_NC Wrote: Haskins destroyed the best defense in college football.

(12-21-2018, 12:33 AM)Whatever Wrote: He threw the ball 73 times against Purdue.  His YPA was only 6.4.  The only reason he had big raw yardage is he threw a ridiculous number of times.  Run game, defense or not, if we're talking Haskins as the first QB off the board and dumping Andy for him, he should be able to beat a 6-6 team with a crap defense with his arm, especially when he's throwing it 73 times and especially with the talent around him on offense.

Seriously, what is so great about Haskins?  He can beat teams IF he doesn't get too much pressure in the pocket, you can run the ball, his receivers turn 5 yard throws into 50 yard TD's, the receivers make circus catches, and the D plays well.  

(12-27-2018, 01:44 PM)Au165 Wrote: You just described the Rams offense with a stretch run and a deep crosser. The rams live on mesh concepts many off the stretch play action from a tight 11 and 12 personnel. They are actually proving that simplifying the offense and being really good at a couple concepts can make an offense really good.

I'll disagree, you see a lot of guys coming out of college that were only asked to read half a field Haskins was not. I'll take a guy who eats sacks early over turning the ball over, especially early on in their development. No doubt in my mind he'd be comfortable playing in a west coast offense day 1 as the carry over would be simple. A lot of Air Raid concepts are making their way into the NFL and you saw OSU incorporate some of that stuff in. Their scheme is actually a power run scheme with spread and air raid concepts. They attack laterally then use that as the misdirection for some of the combination shot plays they run. You can see that with a lot of the wheel routes they like to run with deep posts inside to beat cover 3. 

Go watch the Rams offense and what Goff did this year and tell me he isn't running a similar offense right now from a spread look. Rams prefer it from tight, but the sentiment stands he can be Jared Goff with the right scheme and coordinator.

(12-27-2018, 04:29 PM)MentalRage Wrote: If you guys had to rank Haskins with the QBs who were drafted last year where would you put him?

(12-28-2018, 12:46 AM)Au165 Wrote: Honestly his struggles are kind of related to the injury to Kupp, people kind of discounted him as just a slot WR but undersell what he meant to the offense. His ability to take advantage of one on one match ups exposed a lot of teams inability to cover the middle of the field.

Bad pocket presence again is an overstatement relative to college QBs in general. He climbs a little prematurely at time but I wouldn’t call it poor. He played behind a bad o line and felt the effects of foot steps. He has stood in and taken plenty of hits while making accurate throws. This really seems like being overly critical and not really comparing to relatively to where other QBs come out at.

Like I said he will come out with a high 80’s grade similar to a Trubisky or Flacco. He will need a scheme fit, someone who wants to be ultra vertical won’t be a good fit but any west coast offense who have incorporated a lot of spread and air raid concepts would work well. He’d be a good fit in Washington but I doubt he goes that late.

(12-28-2018, 09:12 AM)Au165 Wrote: Kupp played in 8 games and had 6 TD's thats pretty good production from your slot WR. He was on pace for a 12 TD 1100 yard season, I'd say missing that from your #3 option was a big loss. 

Haskins will be a top 16 pick which is why this whole thing is funny, you talking about QB's past the 1st round etc. He will be nitpicked of course but my point is you really aren't comparing him to what guys were coming out. You seem to have a weird expectation of them being pro ready when they come in. That has happened maybe once in the last 10 years and that was Luck. Even as great as Mahomes has been this year he had to sit behind Smith for a year and has a tailor made system around him that, as you knocked the Rams and Goff for, has seemed to be figured out a bit as of late.

Lol Peyton type, you are correct he is not a generational QB who is possibly the greatest football mind in history. I'm going to simply leave it at, I disagree wholeheartedly with much of the stuff you have typed. I guess we will see, my hunch though is the NFL teams and scouts agree with me more than you.

(12-30-2018, 09:13 AM)SHRacerX Wrote: Do you think they would trade Derek Carr?  From a QB standpoint, Carr is a known and a leader.  I don't think I would make that move if I am Oakland.  But, I am not Oakland, or LA, or Las Vegas, or whatever the hell they are now, so who knows?

(12-30-2018, 09:26 AM)SHRacerX Wrote: Giants and Jags could have the same record as the Bengals after today(no idea the tie breaker)....Giants playing Cowboy team likely resting starters, but Jags playing a motivated Houston squad with a lot to play for.  Raiders will absolutely pick before Bengals but I don't see them letting go of Carr.

(12-30-2018, 09:30 AM)SHRacerX Wrote: This.  Let's not forget this was his first season as a starter.  That will give teams pause in terms of drafting him.  Bengals have perfect scenario to learn under Dalton.  

(12-30-2018, 11:48 PM)Jpoore Wrote: Disagree. Didn't stop trubisky from going what was it 3?