(10-31-2019, 08:47 AM)Catmandude123 Wrote: If they would win seven they would be better than Marvin? If Marvin was so great why hasn't some other team hired him? 

(10-31-2019, 11:02 AM)Sled21 Wrote: Looking at the actual scores of the games we lost, and the players not available to play, I am very optimistic. Does anyone really think we are 0-8 if Green, Ross, Williams, etc were available and played  in those losses?

(10-31-2019, 11:02 AM)Sled21 Wrote: Looking at the actual scores of the games we lost, and the players not available to play, I am very optimistic. Does anyone really think we are 0-8 if Green, Ross, Williams, etc were available and played  in those losses?

(10-31-2019, 11:52 AM)THE PISTONS Wrote: So maybe we'd be 1-7 or 2-6 instead?

In 1 of the close games you cite...we didn't have a single 1st down in the 1st half.

Plus, our defense is historically terrible in yards allowed. For all we know, IF we scored more on offense...the other teams would just attack more aggressively and still beat us.

(10-31-2019, 11:56 AM)Catmandude123 Wrote: So stop being so secretive. Are you enthusiastic about the Bengals or not.

(10-31-2019, 12:03 PM)Catmandude123 Wrote: I'm a whole lot more enthusiastic about the team now that change has started. I cringed every time I thought about being stuck with AD through another contract. We should have known there was going to be a learning curve with ZT. New coordinators will help. Change is coming it just won't magically be better overnight.

(10-31-2019, 12:03 PM)THE PISTONS Wrote: IF I were going to make a list of all of the things that could be wrong with an NFL franchise...I'd find most of them on the Bengals.

(10-31-2019, 12:08 PM)Catmandude123 Wrote: So you are saying there is nowhere to go but up? So I guess you are enthusiastic about the future. Welcome aboard!!!!

(10-31-2019, 08:47 AM)Catmandude123 Wrote: If they would win seven they would be better than Marvin? If Marvin was so great why hasn't some other team hired him? 

(10-31-2019, 12:10 PM)BengalChris Wrote: I've never said Marvin was great, but he at least put up wins. We all could see the things Marvin couldn't get done.

But Taylor has turned out to be significantly worse.

If you replace a player with a worse player it will hurt the team to a degree. We've all seen this front office cast aside good players and replace them with sub-par picks or bargain bin free agents.

But when you replace a coaching staff with a worse coaching staff, the entire team regresses (save a couple of exceptions, which are very few).

Taylor was a mistake, big mistake.

 

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(10-31-2019, 12:06 PM)THE PISTONS Wrote: Taylor is a TERRIBLE OC. This is the 3rd stop he's been terrible at. He's not going to miraculously get better.

(10-31-2019, 12:10 PM)BengalChris Wrote: I've never said Marvin was great, but he at least put up wins. We all could see the things Marvin couldn't get done.

But Taylor has turned out to be significantly worse.

If you replace a player with a worse player it will hurt the team to a degree. We've all seen this front office cast aside good players and replace them with sub-par picks or bargain bin free agents.

But when you replace a coaching staff with a worse coaching staff, the entire team regresses (save a couple of exceptions, which are very few).

Taylor was a mistake, big mistake.

 

(10-31-2019, 12:25 PM)PhilHos Wrote: Right because in his other 2 stops he was given 2 or more years to improve and he STILL hasn't improved.

Just because this is his 3rd stop and the offense is crap doesn't mean he won't improve. Assuming he stays OC he's entire tenure here, this will be the first time he's had a chance to be an OC past the first year in the same place. 

I'm not saying he WILL improve but, God damn, give him a chance to improve before making declarative statements about him .

(10-31-2019, 12:26 PM)Catmandude123 Wrote: So you want to berate the front office for not getting players which caused the benching but want to rave about a coach who had ,some say, the most talent in the league. Your anger should be pointed to the front office instead of a coach who is basically learning on the job. Marvin took us to the playoffs SEVEN times in his 18 years but failed every time to advance. Zt may also fail, RF may fail, the new QB (whoever that will be) may fail but I for one am tired of watching reruns of ineptitude. When I watch now I still won't be happy if things don't go the Bengals way but it won't feel like I am entrapped in a episode of groundhog day.

(10-31-2019, 12:26 PM)Catmandude123 Wrote: So you want to berate the front office for not getting players which caused the benching but want to rave about a coach who had ,some say, the most talent in the league. Your anger should be pointed to the front office instead of a coach who is basically learning on the job. Marvin took us to the playoffs SEVEN times in his 18 years but failed every time to advance. Zt may also fail, RF may fail, the new QB (whoever that will be) may fail but I for one am tired of watching reruns of ineptitude. When I watch now I still won't be happy if things don't go the Bengals way but it won't feel like I am entrapped in a episode of groundhog day.