(12-20-2019, 02:03 PM)I_C_DeadPeople Wrote: I dont mind being gross really. 

(12-20-2019, 03:23 PM)WestCoastBengalsFan Wrote: Worst Case Scenario:

- If they stay:

Turner
Kirkpatshit
Dalton
Glenn
Price
Vigil

If they go:

Taylor (he needs another year to put his players in place, if he sucks in 2020 then bye Felicia. If we make a HC change after one year I think it would be a disaster)
Green (Burrow needs a top receiver to throw too, I say tag AJ and make him prove he can stay healthy)

(12-20-2019, 03:59 PM)ochocincos Wrote: What if I gave you an alternative?

AJ Green's tag is 18 million. He really wants a long term deal, which will very likely be $16+ mill a year for multiple years.
Rather than bring Green back, put that money toward Cory Littleton or an OL and then draft a WR on Day 2?
We've seen that WRs can come in as rookies and have a big impact, plus this is one of the best WR classes in years so the talent on Day 2 should be outstanding.

I think that's a better improvement than Green+rookie OL/LB.

(12-20-2019, 04:25 PM)TJHoushmandzadeh Wrote: The trouble is you solve one hole by creating a new one and the Bengals don't have enough draft picks to fill all their holes. That second round pick then stops you filling a different hole.

I think the Bengals will lack high draft picks more than cap room this off-season.

What the off-season will turn around is whether they can get a suitor for Dalton. Get a draft pick for him and get his $17m cap hit freed up and you can still sign Littleton and AJ Green, use that second round pick on protecting Burrow and still have the pick from the Dalton trade remaining.

What we need is Dalton to play lights out in a tie against Miami and then in a win against the Browns to drive up his trade value.

(12-20-2019, 04:46 PM)ochocincos Wrote: Correct but the intent is to 1) get a player in his prime (Littleton) vs someone who's been injured a lot the past few years and exiting his prime (AJ), and 2) going after a position in the draft with a really strong draft class vs one that doesn't really have a lot of great prospects (WR vs LB).

(12-20-2019, 04:25 PM)TJHoushmandzadeh Wrote: The trouble is you solve one hole by creating a new one and the Bengals don't have enough draft picks to fill all their holes. That second round pick then stops you filling a different hole.

I think the Bengals will lack high draft picks more than cap room this off-season.

What the off-season will turn around is whether they can get a suitor for Dalton. Get a draft pick for him and get his $17m cap hit freed up and you can still sign Littleton and AJ Green, use that second round pick on protecting Burrow and still have the pick from the Dalton trade remaining.

What we need is Dalton to play lights out in a tie against Miami and then in a win against the Browns to drive up his trade value.

(12-20-2019, 03:23 PM)WestCoastBengalsFan Wrote: Worst Case Scenario:

- If they stay:

Turner
Kirkpatshit
Dalton
Glenn
Price
Vigil

If they go:

Taylor (he needs another year to put his players in place, if he sucks in 2020 then bye Felicia. If we make a HC change after one year I think it would be a disaster)
Green (Burrow needs a top receiver to throw too, I say tag AJ and make him prove he can stay healthy)

(12-20-2019, 03:59 PM)ochocincos Wrote: What if I gave you an alternative?

AJ Green's tag is 18 million. He really wants a long term deal, which will very likely be $16+ mill a year for multiple years.
Rather than bring Green back, put that money toward Cory Littleton or an OL and then draft a WR on Day 2?
We've seen that WRs can come in as rookies and have a big impact, plus this is one of the best WR classes in years so the talent on Day 2 should be outstanding.

I think that's a better improvement than Green+rookie OL/LB.

(12-20-2019, 04:25 PM)TJHoushmandzadeh Wrote: The trouble is you solve one hole by creating a new one and the Bengals don't have enough draft picks to fill all their holes. That second round pick then stops you filling a different hole.

I think the Bengals will lack high draft picks more than cap room this off-season.

What the off-season will turn around is whether they can get a suitor for Dalton. Get a draft pick for him and get his $17m cap hit freed up and you can still sign Littleton and AJ Green, use that second round pick on protecting Burrow and still have the pick from the Dalton trade remaining.

What we need is Dalton to play lights out in a tie against Miami and then in a win against the Browns to drive up his trade value.

(12-20-2019, 04:46 PM)ochocincos Wrote: Correct but the intent is to 1) get a player in his prime (Littleton) vs someone who's been injured a lot the past few years and exiting his prime (AJ), and 2) going after a position in the draft with a really strong draft class vs one that doesn't really have a lot of great prospects (WR vs LB).

(12-20-2019, 05:34 PM)TJHoushmandzadeh Wrote: I can see the logic in that approach (that should also have been the strategy at the trade deadline) it's just I don't think re-signing Green precludes them from going after a player like Littleton as well.

With it being a strong WR draft I'd still look to draft a receiver but maybe look at utilizing a later pick if good WRs are going to fall because of the depth. Where re-signing AJ would help is that they wouldn't need to reach for someone at WR who can start immediately, they can instead target someone to eventually replace Ross (whose option won't be taken up for next year). There's always a premium on players who can start immediately, by forgoing the need for immediate impact you can get value later in the draft. Another Marvin Jones would certainly be nice.

(12-20-2019, 05:47 PM)XenoMorph Wrote: But Free agency will happen before the draft and they will have opportunities to fill holes there more so if not paying a WR to not play.

(12-20-2019, 03:21 PM)Nate (formerly eliminate08) Wrote: Clearly, but that is worse really.

That stuff brings you bad karma bud.

(12-18-2019, 12:29 PM)oncemoreuntothejimbreech Wrote: That's pretty much my worst case scenario.

I don't need to see Zach Taylor go 3-36-1 like Hue Jackson in Cleveland before realizing a change needs to be made.

They need to give Ron Rivera the money and control needed to get him to coach in Cincinnati, but they don't have that type of leadership to pull off such a move.

(12-20-2019, 10:18 PM)I_C_DeadPeople Wrote: Hasn't so far

(12-20-2019, 03:59 PM)ochocincos Wrote: What if I gave you an alternative?

AJ Green's tag is 18 million. He really wants a long term deal, which will very likely be $16+ mill a year for multiple years.
Rather than bring Green back, put that money toward Cory Littleton or an OL and then draft a WR on Day 2?
We've seen that WRs can come in as rookies and have a big impact, plus this is one of the best WR classes in years so the talent on Day 2 should be outstanding.

I think that's a better improvement than Green+rookie OL/LB.

(12-20-2019, 10:48 PM)Nicomo Cosca Wrote: Well you’re cursed to be a Bengals fan so I’m not so sure lol

(12-21-2019, 11:09 AM)Fan_in_Kettering Wrote: The worst offseason scenario already happened last year.