(12-27-2020, 09:47 AM)Bronxbengal Wrote: I know neither of these guys and I suspect you don’t either, so there is no way you know what type of a human being either is.  Alexander is a blow hard who judges lineman on how they poor ketchup and in his spare time tries to emulate Billy Joel.  Likewise, Turner is old school and a former Marine.  He is an intense guy something snowflakes translate into being a bad human.  Both coaches are not good, except we had 20+ years witnessing Alexander’s ineptitude.  We had the right line coach but the boy wonder ZT didn’t retain him or the guy didn’t want to work for ZT.  Either way, we need to find the next line coach like we had in the 1980’s.  I can’t remember his name


Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk

(12-27-2020, 01:21 AM)chopperbobby Wrote: Took the cowboys not even 1/2 season with Paul. Bengals 23 years. I know the guy on moving the chains LOVE HIM.    He had some good years here.  But was kept way too long.  I don’t want him back. But mike brown don’t care about what I think.  So who dey.  None of the principal coaches will be let go.  May be line coaches.

(12-27-2020, 01:33 PM)Nicomo Cosca Wrote: I have a pretty good idea considering all the sexist, racist, bullying, and downright toxic behavior one has exhibited, while the worse thing you can come up with about the other is about opening ketchup bottles and playing the piano...

(12-27-2020, 02:05 PM)samhain Wrote: How soon hardcore fans forget that Alexander built at least two lines that were at the very least top 5 in the NFL.  Yeah, he whiffed with Fisher and Ogbuehi and killed the offense for 5 years, but that doesn't detract from the point that he's better than Turner.  How many top 5 lines has Turner coached in the league?  He sucked in Miami and his line sucks here, too.  His best credential is coaching a bunch of overrated players that became busts in the NFL when he was at A&M.

Fact:  Jim Turner isn't a fraction of the coach or evaluator of talent that Alexander was.  
For further effect, I give you exhibit A:
 
Jones/Steinbach/Braham/Williams/Anderson

and exhibit B:

Whitworth/Boling/Bodine/Zeitler/Smith. Yeah, that's 20 years of ineptitude. I'll take that kind of ineptitude all day over some ******* like Turner that basically just berates, plays favorites and cusses dudes out.

When has Turner had anything remotely approaching that level of success in either case?  But yeah, ketchup bottles and stuff.  Turner is a garbage coach that absolutely nobody not named Zac Taylor would want to coach their OL.  He's a buddy hire.  This case is made entirely without mentioning the fact that he got run out of the league for being an overall dumbass in handling his players.  F Jim Turner. He can go pretend to be R. Lee Ermey for some high school team somewhere.

(12-27-2020, 02:43 PM)Bronxbengal Wrote: We’re you even born during the lost decade?  He was the line coach during this time and the lines were horrible.  The examples you provide has more to do with Marvin Lewis tenure on choosing talent than The Piano Man coaching.  I will emphasize his lines during the 90’s were putrid, just as bad as today.  I see no difference between Turner and Piano Man.  They both are bad, but some think Turner is the second coming of Hitler because he isn’t PC enough.


Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk

(12-27-2020, 06:14 PM)samhain Wrote: Were you?  Willie Anderson, Levi Jones and Rich Braham were all drafted or signed before Marvin set foot into the Bengals locker room.  So you're dead wrong about that line being a result of Marvin.  The 90's lines were putrid because the organization never prioritized the position group.  When they gave Alexander high draft picks, they generally were very successful.

I assume you want to disregard Alexander molding Whitworth into perhaps the best tackle in the league as well.  

You also failed to answer my question in any coherent way.  When has Jim Turner been good at coaching o-line?  What line has he coached that approached anything near what those 2 Alexander versions did?  Never in his life, that's when.  

I get that you want to call people snowflakes and whatnot, and I'm sure that's fun, but you're dude Turner sucks and shouldn't be coaching in the league.  Zimmer cussed and called people names, but guess what?  He could coach.  He had equity and reputation.  Turner cussing and berating players isn't the same because he's not good at his job.  

There's a homeless dude at the shopping center down the road.  Sometimes, he cusses and hurls insults at random cars passing by for no reason.  I bet you think he'd be an awesome o-line coach.  I guess if you don't like crap, incompetent coaches, then you're a snowflake, lol.  You should go get yourself a Jim Turner Punisher t-shirt to show your support.

(12-24-2020, 01:12 PM)Wes Mantooth Wrote: Do you really need a "reliable source" to know that a team that has managed to win all of 5 games over 2 seasons is going to have to make at least 1 coaching change so their fanbase doesn't go completely apeshit?

What's next? 

"TylerDragon has heard from a "reliable source" that the Bengals plan on drafting both offensive and defensive players in the 2021 draft."

"TylerDragon has heard from a "reliable source" that the Bengals plan on signing at least one free agent in 2021."

"TylerDragon has heard from a "reliable source" that Bengals will release one veteran in the offseason."

(12-24-2020, 03:50 AM)Nicomo Cosca Wrote: This has to be Jim Turner, no?

Recording #BBP and @TheTylerDragon says he has heard from a reliable source the Bengals will have at least one coaching change on the staff this offseason. #Bengals

— Lindsay Patterson (@LndsPatterson) December 24, 2020

<script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

(12-27-2020, 01:33 PM)Nicomo Cosca Wrote: I have a pretty good idea considering all the sexist, racist, bullying, and downright toxic behavior one has exhibited, while the worse thing you can come up with about the other is about opening ketchup bottles and playing the piano...

(12-28-2020, 11:45 AM)XenoMorph Wrote: these backup OL guys been playing very well here lately...  

Is that not turners doing?

(12-28-2020, 11:52 AM)Nicomo Cosca Wrote: A few games does not make up for 2 seasons worth of ineptitude. People seem to have short memories, and are forgetting just how badly or franchise QB was getting abused weekly for 10 games. And how abysmal the running game has been all season. One game against a terrible Houston team is too little too late.

(12-28-2020, 12:18 PM)XenoMorph Wrote: but people are using these last 2 game to save the other coaches.

(12-24-2020, 12:37 PM)Nicomo Cosca Wrote: His unit has certainly sucked, but I don’t think that would appease fans as much as Turner.

(12-27-2020, 01:33 PM)Nicomo Cosca Wrote: I have a pretty good idea considering all the sexist, racist, bullying, and downright toxic behavior one has exhibited

(12-31-2020, 12:23 AM)Frank Booth Wrote: Ew

Are you some trustfund girl who lives in Williamsburg?

(12-28-2020, 11:45 AM)XenoMorph Wrote: these backup OL guys been playing very well here lately...  

Is that not turners doing?

(12-31-2020, 12:23 AM)Frank Booth Wrote: Ew

Are you some trustfund girl who lives in Williamsburg?

(12-31-2020, 01:01 AM)Nicomo Cosca Wrote: Yep. You got me.

(12-31-2020, 01:14 AM)Joelist Wrote: I really hope Turner goes.

Who exactly has he coached up? The main reason our OL got better was Spain dropped out of the sky and XSF came back from injury. What do they have in common? Vets who were already coached up by other teams. Fred Johnson likewise was coached up outside the club and except for Adeniji the current group predate Turner.

Under Turner Michael Jordan has actually gotten worse over time. Calhoun was so bad he only lasted a few snaps. ALL of our linemen need training in proper technique badly.

This is not about Turner's off field stuff - he sucks as a line coach period.