(01-04-2021, 09:28 PM)Bengalholic Wrote: The bottom line for me - when you haven't won a playoff game in 30 years, have 5 straight losing seasons and 7 total wins in your last 40 games as a franchise - there should be zero room for patience, complacency or acceptance. This front office has a level of comfortability with failure that is truly mind boggling at times. 

(01-04-2021, 10:04 PM)TheBengalsMind Wrote: Zac Taylor "We are a better team than we showed."

If we take Zac at his word, then why is this team not performing to their potential?

Is it the coaches or is it the players?

The blame for 6-25-1 has to be on one of the two, if not both.

You don't end up with what is arguably and objectively one of the worst two season starting records by a coach in NFL history by happenstance.

Something well done, is always better then something well said.

Because without actually growth, progress and substance, such words as improvement, achievement, success and winning have no meaning.

People will buy into Zac for another year, but not if there isn't some significant changes to the coaching staff. It'd be a slap in the face to fans.

As for Joe Burrow almost nothing can stop a man, no THE man, with this kind of mental attitude and fortitude from achieving his goal.

If he says I can do this, then the team will believe they can do it. That's the kind of leader he is.

(01-04-2021, 06:55 PM)TecmoBengals Wrote: Conspiracy theory: The Bengals are having interns do online damage control by saying positive stuff about Zac.

(01-04-2021, 06:34 PM)Amalone002 Wrote: So many outsiders and fans wanting to change and fire everyone.  

Says alot that Burrow and Boyd, two of our best players don't want a new coach and believe in zac. We need consistency and when you fire coaches too early (see Cleveland) it's hard and the grass isn't always greener on the other side.

I'm alone here but I also agree with Mike browns message and like what we are building.  We need to get healthy and add more free agents which it sounds like they are going to do and will be fine.  

Not sure if Lou is gone or not,  I see he is taking alot of heat from fans. Is he a good DC? I don't know.  I do know he did well with what he had to work with,  we had 3rd stringers, practice squad guys out there on D vs the ravens no matter what your not stopping Lamar with those players.  We had maybe 3 good players on D in our last game,  not enough to stop the ravens. When M. Hunt is looking like one of our best players its not a good sign.  

Even in the Texans game, we gave up alot of rushing but you got to give up something in order to not let Watson beat you,  especially with our banged up defense, I think we did ok.

Zac has been calling good games as of late, team sucked as a whole Sunday though.  But he was getting all the praise the last few weeks now a bad loss fans turn again.  But I was expecting this response from fans would happen if we got whooped Sunday,  we fans are emotional.  As a Sacramento Kings fan we started off 3-0 everyone was hyped about the coach players and thinking we're a playoff team now we lose a few games.... the coach should be fired,  trade everyone etc its just funny really lol

To anyone still bringing up gase record vs Taylor.  Both are different.  Not sure if the jets had as many injuries but gase has been a head coach before he's expected to do better right out the gate.  Taylor wasn't,  if he did cool even better but he's a first time HC and they were already prepared to give him some leash, even more so with all the injuries.  

Looking forward to free agency and the draft.  Who dey!

(01-04-2021, 07:36 PM)BrownAssClown Wrote: Even if Taylor were to pull off an 8-8 record next season, he would still have a dismal record as head coach here. Mike Brown would see this as improvement and most likely hand Taylor an extension though. I'm not eating any crow unless Taylor and crew can deliver a record like 12-4 or better and get us into the playoffs NEXT YEAR. Since he's being brought back, against most fans wishes I might add, anything less in my eyes will be deemed as a failure. Again what I and most of you think and what the front office does, year in and year out, are two different things.

(01-04-2021, 07:59 PM)Wes Mantooth Wrote: The end of the lense that is actually clear.  8-8 is no accomplishment for any coach beyond his 1st year.  

You've already gotten your wish that we retain this assclown when no one else would.  Now you're already leading with the idea that 8 wins next year is quite the accomplishment.

Yet a 7 win coach (Anthony Lynn), who had 9 wins his 1st year, and 12 wins his 2nd year, just got fired yesterday.  I guess here we'll always have lowered standards by some.  14 wins over 3 years would earn a year 4 in your mind.

Question: What is the minimum amount of games you think Taylor must win next year to earn another season?  5?  6?  7?  I'd love to know.

(01-05-2021, 12:33 AM)SuperBowlBound! Wrote: 16 teams were 8-8 or better this year.

With your logic 16 coaches should be fired this year.

In our division 8-8 would be a pretty good year.

(01-04-2021, 11:59 PM)SuperBowlBound! Wrote: 12-4 is really what you expect?
5 teams did as good if not better this year than 12-4.

Please list the new head coach you would like.
I want to see if he goes 12-4 next year.

(01-04-2021, 06:34 PM)Amalone002 Wrote:  

Says alot that Burrow and Boyd, two of our best players don't want a new coach and believe in zac. We need consistency and when you fire coaches too early (see Cleveland) it's hard and the grass isn't always greener on the other side.

(01-04-2021, 06:36 PM)wildcatnku24 Wrote: You definitely aren't alone!  I completely agree with all this!!! Rep!

(01-04-2021, 11:57 PM)SuperBowlBound! Wrote: Count me in with you as well. I am with you as well. 

(01-04-2021, 10:56 PM)felis tigris Wrote: To be fair, COVID has made things more difficult for a developing team versus an established one.  Nonetheless, 2-14 last year, 4-11-1 this year, if we go 8-8 next, that's an exponential curve ... 16-0 in 2022, baby!

Really, though, the thing I find most disturbing is the report that the front office is making coaching staff decisions for Zac.  Frankly, that would be my biggest measuring stick of him.  Evaluate the coaching staff independently, give ZT as much rope as he wants in making retention/firing decisions on his staff and then decide what to do with him based on that.  He's had two years with the 2nd one admittedly being really strange.  The one thing he should have total control over is whether he has the right staff.  If you don't think he's effectively managing that, let him go.  If the FO is taking that out of his hands, they're also taking their best evaluation yardstick out of their own hands.  (then again, should we be surprised?)

(01-04-2021, 11:59 PM)SuperBowlBound! Wrote: 12-4 is really what you expect?
5 teams did as good if not better this year than 12-4.

Please list the new head coach you would like.
I want to see if he goes 12-4 next year.

(01-05-2021, 01:32 AM)fredtoast Wrote: Question for you three guys.

How many games does Taylor have to win next year to keep his job?

(01-05-2021, 01:32 AM)fredtoast Wrote: Question for you three guys.

How many games does Taylor have to win next year to keep his job?

(01-04-2021, 07:57 PM)BrownAssClown Wrote: You sir have been conditioned. 8-8 in a head coaches third year is NOT a major step forward. PERIOD! 8-8 would not get you a playoff spot in our division. PERIOD. As much as I hate the Steelers, they are the gold standard in our division. Ask ANY Steelers fan if they would be happy in ANY season going 8-8. PERIOD.

(01-05-2021, 01:32 AM)fredtoast Wrote: Question for you three guys.

How many games does Taylor have to win next year to keep his job?

(01-04-2021, 06:34 PM)Amalone002 Wrote: So many outsiders and fans wanting to change and fire everyone.  

Says alot that Burrow and Boyd, two of our best players don't want a new coach and believe in zac. We need consistency and when you fire coaches too early (see Cleveland) it's hard and the grass isn't always greener on the other side.

I'm alone here but I also agree with Mike browns message and like what we are building.  We need to get healthy and add more free agents which it sounds like they are going to do and will be fine.  

Not sure if Lou is gone or not,  I see he is taking alot of heat from fans. Is he a good DC? I don't know.  I do know he did well with what he had to work with,  we had 3rd stringers, practice squad guys out there on D vs the ravens no matter what your not stopping Lamar with those players.  We had maybe 3 good players on D in our last game,  not enough to stop the ravens. When M. Hunt is looking like one of our best players its not a good sign.  

Even in the Texans game, we gave up alot of rushing but you got to give up something in order to not let Watson beat you,  especially with our banged up defense, I think we did ok.

Zac has been calling good games as of late, team sucked as a whole Sunday though.  But he was getting all the praise the last few weeks now a bad loss fans turn again.  But I was expecting this response from fans would happen if we got whooped Sunday,  we fans are emotional.  As a Sacramento Kings fan we started off 3-0 everyone was hyped about the coach players and thinking we're a playoff team now we lose a few games.... the coach should be fired,  trade everyone etc its just funny really lol

To anyone still bringing up gase record vs Taylor.  Both are different.  Not sure if the jets had as many injuries but gase has been a head coach before he's expected to do better right out the gate.  Taylor wasn't,  if he did cool even better but he's a first time HC and they were already prepared to give him some leash, even more so with all the injuries.  

Looking forward to free agency and the draft.  Who dey!

(01-05-2021, 10:14 AM)XenoMorph Wrote: Zach hasnt really been calling good games......