(03-20-2021, 12:51 PM)RunKijanaRun Wrote: Lawson + Hendrickson? Awesome. Hendrickson instead of Lawson? Downgrade. At least a small one.

(03-20-2021, 03:07 PM)Beaker Wrote: Not a cop out at all. I am saying I dont think they are a downgrade....but I may be proven wrong if they play worse than the players they replaced. But I wont know that until I see them play.

(03-20-2021, 03:52 PM)Mobster Wrote: Agree. Fans around here are guilty of the same things as management was for years... overestimating their own players. WJ3 was a solid player, kind of up and down, inconsistent, pretty high maintenance physically. Doesn't really being much in terms of leadership or intangibles. Not someone you build around or should be s core player. We've
 had several better players at CB than him in recent years. 

Lawson has some physical talent, and definitely flashed at times but never quite got it going. His track record of being injury prone and sort of a tease in terms of production goes all the way back to college and will likely continue. Let someone else pay big money for the risk.

(03-20-2021, 12:51 PM)RunKijanaRun Wrote: I think people are a little too caught up in the activity and not evaluating if the activity is actually improving the team.

WJ III, Alexander, etc - probably better than Hilton & Awuzie. Best case it’s probably a push.

Lawson + Hendrickson? Awesome. Hendrickson instead of Lawson? Downgrade. At least a small one.

Reiff over Hart is a huge W. The fat guy that hangs out near our dunkin is an improvement over Hart.

Ogunjobi is a tick ahead of Adkins, and I only give him that because I truly believe Atkins has been sandbagging and will find a 2nd wind.

Green and Ross gone, won’t miss either. If we somehow get GollaDEY it’s a big upgrade. If not, we’re probably looking at a WR in the first 2 rounds.

Last year they clearly upgraded in a few areas. Atkins, Ross, Hart and Green are additions by subtraction. But we’re not even marginally better on paper.

Bring in Trai, Golladay or another legit starter and I think we get a passing grade. But we, as fans, are a little too distracted by the flashing lights and loud noises.

(03-20-2021, 12:51 PM)RunKijanaRun Wrote: I think people are a little too caught up in the activity and not evaluating if the activity is actually improving the team.

WJ III, Alexander, etc - probably better than Hilton & Awuzie. Best case it’s probably a push.

(03-20-2021, 04:48 PM)SHRacerX Wrote: WJIII has been a solid cover corner, but struggles in zone, which is what Anarumo supposedly wants to run more of.  Awuzie is the opposite.  Great athlete, but better suited for zone.  And Hilton has some pass rush in him.  

I am not saying I that they will be hands down better, but if they fit the scheme that they are trying to  run...and basically got the two players for less than the cost of WJIII's contract.  

Will that money be used on GollaDEY?  Remains to be seen.  But these moves make a lot of sense.

And with respect to Lawson and Hendrickson, the durability difference is staggering.  And I liked Lawson.  

(03-20-2021, 04:36 PM)Shake n Blake Wrote: I usually agree with you, but not so much here.

I see Hendrickson's production as equal to Lawson's - if not better - and he doesn't have the ugly injury history that Lawson does.

Reiff over Hart, obviously.

Ogunjobi is getting way undervalued on here, IMO. Started every game for 3 years with the Browns...on some good defenses. Produced better numbers than any DT we've had recently outside of prime Atkins. He's a solid player and starter. Not a "rotational guy" like I've seen floated on here.

Hilton and Awuzie started/played for some elite defenses and playoff teams. I also think they're being undervalued on here. WJIII has also been a bit overvalued, much like Lawson.

You'd think Lawson was the 2nd coming of LT. That dude on his best day isn't even on Dunlap's level. He's a solid pass rusher...but so is Hendrickson.

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Now I don't think this is a home-run free agency, either. I think we mostly side-graded, with a modest improvement to the o-line. We still need major help on the interior. I'd give us a solid B- this free agency, with the ability to move up with some interior help.

(03-20-2021, 05:32 PM)RunKijanaRun Wrote: You do realize you’ve just doomed Hendrickson, right?

Kidding. Fair take. Would rather you be correct than me.

(03-20-2021, 04:36 PM)Shake n Blake Wrote: I usually agree with you, but not so much here.

I see Hendrickson's production as equal to Lawson's - if not better - and he doesn't have the ugly injury history that Lawson does.

Reiff over Hart, obviously.

Ogunjobi is getting way undervalued on here, IMO. Started every game for 3 years with the Browns...on some good defenses. Produced better numbers than any DT we've had recently outside of prime Atkins. He's a solid player and starter. Not a "rotational guy" like I've seen floated on here.

Hilton and Awuzie started/played for some elite defenses and playoff teams. I also think they're being undervalued on here. WJIII has also been a bit overvalued, much like Lawson.

You'd think Lawson was the 2nd coming of LT. That dude on his best day isn't even on Dunlap's level. He's a solid pass rusher...but so is Hendrickson.

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Now I don't think this is a home-run free agency, either. I think we mostly side-graded, with a modest improvement to the o-line. We still need major help on the interior. I'd give us a solid B- this free agency, with the ability to move up with some interior help.

(03-20-2021, 04:50 PM)Nicomo Cosca Wrote: Golladay just signed with NY.

(03-21-2021, 08:10 AM)SHRacerX Wrote: Yep, and DAMN...did they want to sign him!  I can't believe how much they paid him.  Although I don't know the contract details and it probably has a two year out clause like Waynes' contract or something similar. 

(03-19-2021, 01:08 PM)masonbengals fan Wrote: What is happening?
Back to back active years in free agency?
Letting familiar players go for better and / or cheaper alternatives?
Exercising the team's ability to get out of deals with crappy or aging players before the contract expires?
Former greats recruiting for the team aggressively ?
A QB wining and dining a FA lineman who might keep him upright?
Maybe ring of honor?
New Uniforms?
Back to back active years in free agency?

Thoughts ?

(03-21-2021, 11:54 AM)JWW1971 Wrote: The difference is that the Power has been handed over to Kate and Troy

(03-21-2021, 12:11 PM)jfkbengals Wrote: Or that Mikey is facing his own mortality and coming to realize that the way he was doing things was not going to get him a championship before he leaves this earth...

(03-21-2021, 12:22 PM)JWW1971 Wrote: Like I've said numerous times on here, Mike mentioned in an interview before last season that it was Katie, Troy & Duke that were now running things.
We then got the FA agent's last season and again this year, Things have changed for us and we will see it a lot more going forward.

(03-21-2021, 09:44 AM)jason Wrote: That is kinda some Bengals shit though; isn't it? There's no market for FA wide receivers? Let's bid against ourselves on this multi-year deal. We gotta give him more than Curtis Samuel got... Ya know.

(03-21-2021, 01:51 PM)JWW1971 Wrote: It is common knowledge that it was Katie, Troy and Tobin who interviewed and hired Taylor.
Why do you think he wasn't fired? they don't want to look like they failed in there first major decision.

(03-21-2021, 02:22 PM)SHRacerX Wrote: You're right.  It is something like what the Bengals would have done in the past.  Right now, if you said I could have either guy (Samuel or GollaDEY), I would take Samuel if I had to have their contract as well.