(05-08-2021, 10:06 AM)HarleyDog Wrote: He’ll make it to 22. Last year he had too many injuries on the team. Year before that he was brought in late and took forever to get a coaching staff together, and learning his new team. Sounds like nothing but excuses I know, but not ideal in any way to pile up numbers in the win column. WTS, I’m definitely not as high on him now as i was 2yrs ago and I wish him all the best on a great season.

(05-07-2021, 10:27 PM)Nately120 Wrote: If we have a 3rd losing season in a row with ZT he and all the players who are happy with him need to go.

(05-08-2021, 08:27 AM)Fan_in_Kettering Wrote: Zac Taylor appears to be a very smart human being but the jury is still out on whether or not he is a smart head coach.  With this current roster I believe even Dave Shula could go 9-8.  

To completely fair Marvin Lewis did not take the Bengals to the playoffs until his third year as head coach. However, his first two seasons showed great improvement because the Bengals finished 8-8 in both of those years.  Zac is 2-14 and 4-11-1 which is terrible and a long way from 8-8.

The question I have is how do we define success in 2021? Making the playoffs? A winning record? I have no idea what is going on in Mike Brown’s head so I don’t know what his criteria for success is.

My personal theory is Mike Brown will keep Zac employed as long as he sees “improvement.” The bar here is set very low and I think if the Bengals win five or more games Zac will stay.  

If it were up to me I would have unloaded Zac Taylor after Week Two in 2019.

(05-08-2021, 08:39 AM)OSUfan Wrote: Do people actually not realize that rosters are not plug and play related to personnel matching up and personnel matching a coaching staff? Continued success has to be built. I guess the Cleveland Brown theory is one way to go where you fire HCs every season until you have acquired enough top 10 draft selections that someone can walk in and be relatively successful.

Looking at things objectively you also have to consider the magnitude of injuries that this team saw in 2020 and they were injuries to key starters. Factor in that Taylor had to weed out malcontents like Dunlap that thought they should play whether performing or not, because they were use to having starting positions because they were veterans.

(05-08-2021, 10:33 AM)JWW1971 Wrote: I'm not same that he doesn't need to go, I'm saying that he won't be sacked. He might choose to walk away (not sure when his contract ends) but he will not be sacked as it will make Kate & Duke look like failures as he was there first appointment

(05-08-2021, 12:51 PM)ochocincos Wrote: I don't understand those who say Taylor just needs time to get the players to adapt to the schemes.
He's going into his third year and has as many wins in that timespan as the team he took over from Marvin.
Marvin Lewis took the worst team in the league in 2002 (2-14) and got them to 8-8 immediately, another 8-8 the following year, and then division champs in 2005 with arguably the best offense in the past two decades.
Brian Flores turned around a Dolphins team in just his second season.

Why is it acceptable that Zac Taylor took over a 6-10 team to a 2-14 record, then a 4-11-1 record.
Now, we want to basically say that even if he doesn't get to a winning record this year but still improves on 4-11-1, they should probably keep him because it takes a long time to get players acclimated to new schemes?

I'm sorry, but even if you want to use the injury excuse, that's why you add good depth.
Taylor chose to draft Ryan Finley, and he chose to sign (and now re-sign) Brandon Allen.
They chose to re-sign Bobby Hart.
They chose to extend a RB for $12 mill a year in a pass-focused offense.
They chose to go with mid-to-late round LBs and bad journeyman veteran stopgap LBs vs actually addressing LB.

(05-08-2021, 01:23 PM)Benton Wrote: Flores had 24 first round picks. Marvin walked in to a first rate roster.

Zac walked in to a team that thought John Ross was a top 10 pick. 

I think most folks realize he wasnt going to come in to the garbage roster and take it to a super bowl. 

(05-08-2021, 01:23 PM)Benton Wrote: Flores had 24 first round picks. Marvin walked in to a first rate roster.

Zac walked in to a team that thought John Ross was a top 10 pick. 

I think most folks realize he wasnt going to come in to the garbage roster and take it to a super bowl. 

(05-08-2021, 01:46 PM)ochocincos Wrote: I disagree that it was a garbage roster.
AJ Green
Tyler Boyd
Joe Mixon
Gio Bernard
Andy Dalton
Tyler Eifert
Jessie Bates
Shawn Williams
WJ3
Dre Kirkpatrick
Darqueze Dennard
Geno Atkins
Carlos Dunlap
Andrew Billings
Carl Lawson
Sam Hubbard
Clint Boling

Boling retired due to blood clot issue right before training camp started, which was unexpected, and it resulted in the forced start of Michael Jordan.
Jonah Williams, who was considered by most as the best OL in the 2019 draft class, was drafted to take over LT duties. The team and he decided for him to have shoulder surgery to repair a torn labrum that he played through his final year at Alabama.
So really, the only concerns I had when Taylor took over were OL and LB. OL became more of a concern after the above things happened.

So while I didn't expect Taylor to take the Bengals to the Super Bowl with that roster, I did expect him to get them back to a winning record his first season, not take them to worst record in the league and then only 4.5 wins his second season.

(05-07-2021, 04:21 PM)jason Wrote: This....


I think it's overdue, but I'm hoping the light comes on, and we all feel like fools for wanting him fired.

(05-08-2021, 01:46 PM)ochocincos Wrote: I disagree that it was a garbage roster.
AJ Green
Tyler Boyd
Joe Mixon
Gio Bernard
Andy Dalton
Tyler Eifert
Jessie Bates
Shawn Williams
WJ3
Dre Kirkpatrick
Darqueze Dennard
Geno Atkins
Carlos Dunlap
Andrew Billings
Carl Lawson
Sam Hubbard
Clint Boling

Boling retired due to blood clot issue right before training camp started, which was unexpected, and it resulted in the forced start of Michael Jordan.
Jonah Williams, who was considered by most as the best OL in the 2019 draft class, was drafted to take over LT duties. The team and he decided for him to have shoulder surgery to repair a torn labrum that he played through his final year at Alabama.
So really, the only concerns I had when Taylor took over were OL and LB. OL became more of a concern after the above things happened.

So while I didn't expect Taylor to take the Bengals to the Super Bowl with that roster, I did expect him to get them back to a winning record his first season, not take them to worst record in the league and then only 4.5 wins his second season.

(05-08-2021, 01:23 PM)Benton Wrote: Flores had 24 first round picks. Marvin walked in to a first rate roster.

Zac walked in to a team that thought John Ross was a top 10 pick. 

I think most folks realize he wasnt going to come in to the garbage roster and take it to a super bowl. 

(05-08-2021, 01:23 PM)Benton Wrote: Flores had 24 first round picks. Marvin walked in to a first rate roster.

Zac walked in to a team that thought John Ross was a top 10 pick. 

I think most folks realize he wasnt going to come in to the garbage roster and take it to a super bowl. 

(05-08-2021, 07:11 PM)BengalsRocker Wrote: Whaaaaat?!?

Not Super Bowl but damn you guys have a short memory.

"Most folks" thought this guy was gonna make Marvin look like a super chump.

Of course yourself could've been like me who thought he was going to have issues.

That still doesn't fall under most folks.

I remember all kinds of threads and polls where Taylor couldn't manage to sniff the failure of Marvin's last season.

Crazy shitts I tells ya!

(05-08-2021, 07:20 PM)jfkbengals Wrote: Strongly disagree with this statement.

Now, there were some great players there (CD, Spikes, Simmons, Smith, the Oline), but there were a ton of scrubs on the 2-14 team he acquired as well. 

But Marvin's first offseason saw a number of great acquisitions via trade, FA, and the draft to set things up for his tenure to succeed.

(05-08-2021, 07:11 PM)BengalsRocker Wrote: Whaaaaat?!?

Not Super Bowl but damn you guys have a short memory.

"Most folks" thought this guy was gonna make Marvin look like a super chump.

Of course yourself could've been like me who thought he was going to have issues.

That still doesn't fall under most folks.

I remember all kinds of threads and polls where Taylor couldn't manage to sniff the failure of Marvin's last season.

Crazy shitts I tells ya!

(05-08-2021, 08:42 AM)OSUfan Wrote: So let me see if I have this correct...you believe that this thread was meant to be a validation of the abilities of Zac Taylor and that the creator of the thread posted it with positive intent backing Taylor as the HC...does this sum it up?

(05-08-2021, 08:49 PM)rfaulk34 Wrote: No. From all angles it looks negative. What i was saying is, instead of replying in kind, give an opinion like the one i stated. Then you have a positive reply and, who knows, maybe more follow suit. 

I know you don't like the angle of the thread so i was saying a positive reply cancels that out. 

This reply isn't just for you. It's for anyone that doesn't like these kinds of threads. Instead of keeping the negativity going (whether it's the thread subject or the poster), turn that sheet around.