(06-18-2021, 09:43 AM)SHRacerX Wrote: Which is why I would release XSF to make it more like $12.  And maybe he would take $12 million, making the incremental cost only $9 million.  Again, I know nothing of the guy's character and I have no idea why he wanted out of Washington, but he would be a tremendous asset.  Much more valuable than another WR or LB.

(06-17-2021, 07:40 PM)Nate (formerly eliminate08) Wrote: Yes, all for Morgan Moses. Always liked the guy when I watched him play. He would have to start if we brought him in though.

If I have a problem with what SHRacer is saying it is moving Reiff to Guard over Jonah. Jonah just seems like a natural Guard 
more so than Reiff and Reiff is just such a good pass protector. With Moses recent run blocking grades he also might suit Guard
better Moses at LG? A line up of Jonah - Moses - Hopkins - Carman - Reiff could be excellent. That is some run blocking from the 
Guard positions...

(06-17-2021, 10:50 PM)Whatever Wrote: Pass protection is the bulk of almost any NFL OL's game anymore.  There were only 3 teams last year that ran more than they passed.  That's not to say run blocking isn't important, but the emphasis should be on what he's going to be doing the most, which is pass pro.  

Keep in mind that WFT brought John Matsko over from Carolina with Rivera and he runs a man-power blocking scheme.  Previously, they had Bill Callahan, who runs wide zone like Pollack does.  He's not going to be nearly as effective in our scheme as he was in WFT's.  You're probably looking at him backsliding to the 67.2-64.4 range he was at before Bill left, which is right about what Hart graded last year.  

Also keep in mind that Moses is a penalty machine.  He's finished 2nd in the league in penalties twice and top 15 4x since '15.  He's literally a meme among WFT fans for jumping the snap repeatedly because he's so slow getting out of his 3 point stance.  

He would be a good depth add, but there's no way I'd be penciling him in for a starting gig.

Quote:Much like Moses, Rick Wagner was released earlier this offseason due to the Packers' salary cap issues. 

The 31-year-old made nine starts and appeared in all 16 games for the Packers last season. He was an high-end pass blocker according to Pro Football Focus, finishing with a 78.2 grade in pass protection and a 77 overall score. 
Wagner is a big reason why Green Bay was tied for second in the NFL in sacks allowed (21) in 2020. They allowed one sack or less in a league-best 13 games, which tied a Packers record. 
Wagner allowed one sack and one quarterback hit in 608 offensive snaps according to PFF. 
Signing him would not only bolster their depth, but it would give them a chance to move Reiff to guard if Jackson Carman struggled early in his career. 
Other free agent options include tackle Dennis Kelly, or interior linemen like Trai Turner, Nick Easton and Austin Reiter. 

(06-18-2021, 09:52 AM)Sled21 Wrote: I have to disagree wholeheartedly with getting rid of XFS. If we cut him and Spain or Carman get hurt, we're back to putting Jordan in at starting guard. We need XFS or Spain as the next man up.

(06-18-2021, 10:08 AM)SunsetBengal Wrote: Then maybe a guy like Rick Wagner would be more fitting?

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/the-bengals-should-sign-a-veteran-offensive-lineman-following-latest-injury-in-trenches/ar-AAL9gaO?ocid=spartan-ntp-feeds

(06-18-2021, 10:26 AM)SHRacerX Wrote: They also have Price.  I am willing to get to the third string at Guard where there is not as much difference in the talent level as compared to having very poor depth at the all-important position of tackle.  Remember, you are also adding Reiff to that list of guards.  

(06-18-2021, 09:56 AM)SHRacerX Wrote: I get that, but I am not going to stunt Williams development as an OT for a one-year rental like Reiff.  Moses is a RT and Reiff has experience at Guard, and being at the tail end of his career, it might suit him very well and even extend his career.  If you try to bring in Moses as a Guard, he is going to claim diminished value.  The guy has been rock solid at RT.  

Damn, I really want this to happen.  Again, not knowing the guy's character at all, and maybe the Bengals love D'Ante Smith.  I don't know.  But on the surface, I am calling him before other teams have a chance.  

(06-17-2021, 08:50 PM)Whatever Wrote: He's better than Hart, but 41 pressures and 5 sacks allowed are not good pass pro numbers.  It would be interesting to see if PFF is giving him a number of positive ratings on pass plays to even out his mistakes on his grading scale.  Last year was also a career year for him.  He graded out in the mid 60's the previous 3 seasons.

The point seems kind of moot because it looks like he's signing with the Jets.  

(06-18-2021, 10:49 PM)SunsetBengal Wrote: The same number of sacks that Jonah Williams was liable for, in only 10 games..

(06-18-2021, 11:42 PM)Whatever Wrote: Jonah was only credited with 3 sacks allowed per PFF.  Moses' 5 sacks allowed tied him for 12th most among OT's.  

(06-19-2021, 07:12 AM)SunsetBengal Wrote: Pat Kirwin and Jim Miller of SXM NFL Radio did the breakdown of the Bengals OL yesterday.  They had Williams for 5 sacks.

(06-19-2021, 09:33 AM)TJ528 Wrote: Everyone seems to think Pollack and Jonah are god like. They their going to make this line amazing.

(06-18-2021, 11:59 AM)Sled21 Wrote: Price has the same problem as Hopkins, they are centers who are not good guards. Has Reiff ever played guard in the NFL? (Honest question, I don't know) I'd keep him right where he's at.... we know with XFS he's a decent guard when healthy. 

(06-18-2021, 01:20 PM)Nate (formerly eliminate08) Wrote: Reiff can play LT too, I just want Reiff at Tackle. Moses just might not fit our needs if he is purely a RT if you don't want to stunt
Jonah's development as an OT. Moses will have to start if we brought him in. There are only 2 starting OT's.

(06-19-2021, 11:14 AM)SHRacerX Wrote: If you want the 5 best guys on the field, you get all three of them out there.  Reiff is the oldest, with the lowest pass-blocking grade of the 3.  He is also only here on a one-year deal.  If they gave Moses a 3 year deal, you don't have to draft an OT with your first pick next year.  You could draft a CB.  Or a LB if this crop of CB really shows.  

Note:  Pick 32 probably won't have a starting-caliber OT.  

(06-19-2021, 10:20 AM)Frank Booth Wrote: They are called homers