(08-06-2021, 02:41 PM)TJ528 Wrote: Frank, I usually agree with most of what you say, however EVERYTHING you posted in here is full of poo.  

Zac Taylor was hired in 2019 and was working on his staff while he was a QB of the Rams. 

Some will say he had to put together his staff.  Ask any coach who's up for becoming a head coach and they'll tell you they have a list of candidates already made out ready to go.  If Zac didn't have that then maybe he's not NFL prepared.  

I'll hold the 2019 and 2020 teams against him because he's the one who hired the coaches that coached those players.  You hire a DC who's known for wanting to use Zone defense but you have personnel that fit mostly a man defense.  Yea that's gonna work every time especially when that DC doesn't know how to adapt his defense.  

You hire a crap OL coach.  Zac was given the option to keep Pollack by the front office but Zac said no he wanted to bring in his own guy, Jim Turner.  Yea we see what kind of coaching eye for talent Zac has there.  

There is no way in hell if Zac Taylor isn't more than 9-7 this year that he should return to Cincinnati.  If you truly believe he should be given 1 more year no matter what happens this year, then you must be related to him in some way. 

(08-06-2021, 02:47 PM)Frank Booth Wrote: I hear ya

But Turner wasnt his first choice for OL coach. He had to settle for Tuner after the guy he wanted went to Cleveland. 

Maybe he couldve brought Pollack back, but they just let him go, so it would've been weird to be like, "oh hey Frank, I know I didnt want you, but the other guy flaked on me, so Im gonna need you back"

The bengals arent finishing with a winning record this season, so you might as well begin on getting an early start on potential head coaches for 22'

(08-06-2021, 02:47 PM)Frank Booth Wrote: I hear ya

But Turner wasnt his first choice for OL coach. He had to settle for Tuner after the guy he wanted went to Cleveland. 

Maybe he couldve brought Pollack back, but they just let him go, so it would've been weird to be like, "oh hey Frank, I know I didnt want you, but the other guy flaked on me, so Im gonna need you back"

The bengals arent finishing with a winning record this season, so you might as well begin on getting an early start on potential head coaches for 22'

(08-06-2021, 02:52 PM)TJ528 Wrote: an incompetent OL coach ruin the OL of my team for 2  years. 

(08-06-2021, 02:52 PM)TJ528 Wrote: I'd much rather lose some dignity and ask a coach to come back to the staff and maybe increase his pay than let an incompetent OL coach ruin the OL of my team for 2  years.  

If the Bengals don't finish with a winning record this year or near a winning record, 9-8, 8-9, then Zac needs to leave.  

I truthfully believe the Bengals will finish 6-11, and the first thing I wanna see after that final Sunday is Taylors ass catchin a flight outta Cincinnati because he's been fired. 

(08-06-2021, 02:58 PM)Frank Booth Wrote: the lines were already awful, who are you fooling?

now it's somehow Turner's fault that bobby hart was our starting RT, and Jonah and co. cant stay healthy, and that Billy Price is just flat out bad

and we were using a guy who was a retired guard for the Giants to fill in at Tackle.

XSF is a cast off

the personel was, and still is truly horrendous.

(08-06-2021, 03:10 PM)Nate (formerly eliminate08) Wrote: Agree with everything but I think we actually start winning this year and we go the other route 9+ wins.

Turner blew man, so did Eason at DL coach. Pollack and Hobby are clear upgrades and I like Golden the LB coach.

We stay healthy we win 9+ IMO.

Hope we make the playoffs and win a game. We will see.

If not, yeah Taylor needs to go, he finally has decent play on both lines if they stay healthy.

(08-06-2021, 03:10 PM)Nate (formerly eliminate08) Wrote: Jonah (second year) Spain/XSF (who was not a castoff, 33rd overall pick), 

Get your shit straight.

(08-06-2021, 03:10 PM)Nate (formerly eliminate08) Wrote: Agree with everything but I think we actually start winning this year and we go the other route 9+ wins.

Turner blew man, so did Eason at DL coach. Pollack and Hobby are clear upgrades and I like Golden the LB coach.

We stay healthy we win 9+ IMO.

Hope we make the playoffs and win a game. We will see.

If not, yeah Taylor needs to go, he finally has decent play on both lines if they stay healthy.


Turner sucked man, all his players besides Hart fell off a cliff when he coached them. He taught them a 2 hand punch method 
which is the biggest gamble for O-lineman and had both Willie and Munoz scratching their heads. The only reason Hart improved
was he was young and couldn't get any worse especially pass blocking.

Instead of Jonah (first year in the NFL), Jordan, Hopkins, Redmond, Hart we have...

Jonah (second year) Spain/XSF (who was not a castoff, 33rd overall pick), Hopkins, Carman/XSF, Reiff

All of who are good at pass blocking. Run blocking has been the biggest weakness of most of these guys. Get your shit straight.

(08-06-2021, 08:40 PM)Shake n Blake Wrote: Good grief. I just read through this thread and a couple others, and it's been nothing but toxicity. What happened to this place?

(08-06-2021, 09:07 AM)fredtoast Wrote: What has Burrow done without an elite supporting cast?

(08-06-2021, 01:29 PM)Nately120 Wrote: I think Fred was only summoned to this thread when talk of Dalton not being special came to pass.  The most interesting thing to me is that 10 years ago we were talking about how Dalton had already shown that he had "IT" while his predecessor did not.  It's the circle of fandom.  We are quite literally kicking Dalton down the line from "special new guy" to "not that special old guy."

(08-06-2021, 08:58 PM)Joelist Wrote: A sort of weird psychosis where people way overreact to training camp, seemingly forgetting that it is practice AND they are not running real plays yet. 

(08-06-2021, 09:05 PM)rfaulk34 Wrote: Who ever said Dalton had "it"? Next question. Did anyone make sure that person(s) had their head and eyes checked?

It's not like he won under the big bright lights and then fell off a cliff. He never had "it". 

Unless "it" was an inability to rise up and carry his team against good teams, under the bright lights and especially in the playoffs, with any semblance of consistency. He had that in spades.

(08-06-2021, 09:05 PM)rfaulk34 Wrote: Who ever said Dalton had "it"? Next question. Did anyone make sure that person(s) had their head and eyes checked?

It's not like he won under the big bright lights and then fell off a cliff. He never had "it". 





Unless "it" was an inability to rise up and carry his team against good teams, under the bright lights and especially in the playoffs, with any semblance of consistency. He had that in spades.

(08-06-2021, 07:59 PM)Joelist Wrote: How about we wait and see what the offense looks like when they actually start calling plays instead of running a preset sequence because they are installing the offense? Right now the defense has an edge because everyone out there knows what the play is and to call the plays vanilla is to say little. Honestly I'd be worried if the defense WASN'T winning at this point.

(08-06-2021, 09:00 PM)rfaulk34 Wrote: What did Dalton do with a similarly crappy team in 2019? Finley started 3 games so i'm guessing Dalton played in 13 (from what i can recall). 

Burrow played in 9 1/2 last year. 

You're a numbers guy. What were the comparable numbers from Dalton's 2019 and Burrow's 2020?

(08-07-2021, 12:25 AM)TheLeonardLeap Wrote: That's 2021 rfaulk talking. Think back to the mindset we were all in going into the 2011 season. New 2nd round rookie coming into a team coming off a 4-12 season that was potentially going to go winless, taking over a team whose franchise QB would rather retire than play for.

Dalton takes that team to not just a winning record, but to the playoffs. During the 2011 season he has FOUR 4th quarter comebacks, four game winning drives. He goes to the Pro Bowl.

People were reasonably hyped and high on Dalton.