(02-21-2022, 01:41 PM)Shake n Blake Wrote: I'm guessing this is just counting regular season...but our emotions are counting the playoffs.

The line was just below average in the first half of the season. It got much worse later on, and especially in the playoffs.

Maybe we just need to run it back with the same guys and hope they stay healthy and progress. Sike just playing, this line sucks and we need to drop a ton of money and picks on it.

Btw, 8 sacks for Jonah is atrocious.

(02-21-2022, 01:41 PM)Shake n Blake Wrote: I'm guessing this is just counting regular season...but our emotions are counting the playoffs.

The line was just below average in the first half of the season. It got much worse later on, and especially in the playoffs.

Maybe we just need to run it back with the same guys and hope they stay healthy and progress.

Sike just playing, this line sucks and we need to drop a ton of money and picks on it.

Btw, 8 sacks for Jonah is atrocious.

(02-21-2022, 01:41 PM)Nicomo Cosca Wrote: I wouldn’t go TE that high in this draft, but DT/DE/CB could all be good options in that spot. Maybe we’ll get lucky and the BPA will be OL anyway though.

(02-21-2022, 02:35 PM)Shake n Blake Wrote: Over the last 5 years, 14 linemen have been selected between picks 31-39:

PFF grades are from 2021

T - Cam Robinson - Jags - 67.4
T - Ryan Ramczyk - Saints - 84.1
T - Jawaan Taylor - Jags - 60.4
T - Kalen McGary - Falcons - 62.8
C - Austin Corbett - Browns - 68.8 (with Rams)
G - Will Hernandez - Giants - 55.9
G - Braden Smith - Colts - 80.6
G - James Daniels - Bears - 71.0
G - Robert Hunt - Dolphins - 67.4
G - Landon Dickerson - Eagles - 67.3

The only real flops have been:

T - Cody Ford - Bills - 46.4
T - Tevin Jenkins - Bears - 47.5
G - Forrest Lamp - Chargers - 49.4 in 2020

Tbh I think we're in a great spot to land a solid starter. Almost all of these guys plugged in and have started since drafted.

(02-21-2022, 02:47 PM)Nicomo Cosca Wrote: Well, us whiffing on guys even earlier than that (Price, Ogbuehi) isn’t exactly reassuring. But hopefully we finally hit on one there if we do go OL. Maybe we’ll get lucky and Linderbaum will drop due to size concerns or something.

I’d also consider Will Hernandez a total flop. Dude is terrible, and mid 50’s is replacement level.

(02-21-2022, 02:47 PM)Nicomo Cosca Wrote: Well, us whiffing on guys even earlier than that (Price, Ogbuehi) isn’t exactly reassuring. But hopefully we finally hit on one there if we do go OL. Maybe we’ll get lucky and Linderbaum will drop due to size concerns or something.

I’d also consider Will Hernandez a total flop. Dude is terrible, and mid 50’s is replacement level.

(02-21-2022, 03:09 PM)KillerGoose Wrote: Wild to think that Will has been in the league four seasons already. I remember the draft analysis around him, and I remember liking him. His rookie contract is up this year and he has never lived up to his rookie season performance, if PFF grades are to be trusted. 

(02-21-2022, 03:13 PM)Nicomo Cosca Wrote: The Giants have been even worse than us at developing OL in recent years. Although it looks like Andrew Thomas is going to be really good. Nice bounce back for him after a rough rookie season.

(02-21-2022, 03:16 PM)KillerGoose Wrote: Interestingly enough, Price was almost passable this season. He played nearly 1000 snaps and had a 62 grade. Not great, certainly replacement level but better than he ever performed here. 

(02-20-2022, 10:39 PM)Go Cards Wrote: Reiff's injuries hurt his numbers and thought he did a good job.

But his injury was very predictable with his history. Would like to have him back if he comes at a slightly cheaper price tag.

(02-21-2022, 02:35 PM)Shake n Blake Wrote: ******

The only real flops have been:

T - Cody Ford - Bills - 46.4
T - Tevin Jenkins - Bears - 47.5
G - Forrest Lamp - Chargers - 49.4 in 2020

T*****

(02-21-2022, 03:39 PM)Nepa Wrote: It is interesting that during the 2021 draft, quite a few posters were upset the Bengals passed on Tevin Jenkins. 

I really think there's no merit in going back and lamenting that the Bengals didn't draft this particular OT/OG/OC or that particular one. It's easy to go back and say the Bengals made a mistake in not drafting Creed Humphrey or Christian Barmore. But that's only because we have 20/20 hindsight. A lot of teams passed on such OL and had flops like Tevin Jenkins listed higher on their draft boards. 

Going back and lamenting what ifs serves little purpose. We should be grateful that the Bengals got a couple of homeruns in Ja'Marr Chase and Evan McPherson, two that fueled a trip to the Super Bowl. 

(02-20-2022, 10:57 PM)Nicomo Cosca Wrote: https://www.si.com/nfl/bengals/allbengals-insiders-plus/bengals-get-mike-browns-guy-an-inside-look-at-their-pursuit-of-jackson-carman

(02-21-2022, 03:39 PM)Nepa Wrote: Going back and lamenting what ifs serves little purpose. We should be grateful that the Bengals got a couple of homeruns in Ja'Marr Chase and Evan McPherson, two that fueled a trip to the Super Bowl. 

(02-21-2022, 03:42 PM)rfaulk34 Wrote: Hopefully, MB will have been slapped in the face with a skunk enough times now to realize it smells bad. 

(02-20-2022, 08:26 PM)Nicomo Cosca Wrote: For those that don’t want to click the link:


20. CINCINNATI BENGALS (UP 2)

LT Jonah Williams | 77.9
LG Quinton Spain | 72.3
C Trey Hopkins | 51.4
RG Hakeem Adeniji | 48.4
RT Riley Reiff | 67.3

The Bengals' offensive line is vastly improved from a season ago, but the last few weeks of the regular season showed how fragile that is — and how quickly it can become a problem if injuries arise. Jonah Williams has been impressive at left tackle, earning a 77.9 PFF grade, even if he has a tendency to lose badly when he does lose (he has allowed eight sacks).

Quinton Spain has played some of his best football, and there were other positive contributors, but not one member of the line played all 17 games, and the play of the backups has been problematic in some cases. Of the 11 players the team has used for 50 or more snaps, seven of them carry sub-58.0 PFF grades.

(02-21-2022, 03:53 PM)Nate (formerly eliminate08) Wrote: Get Adeniji the frick outta the starting lineup is all I can say. For the life of me I just cannot understand Pollack starting 
this guy over Carman who makes splash blocks that can give us the edge like in the AFC Championship on the Perine TD.

Bring in James Daniels, Andrew Norwell and Morgan Moses or something like it. No excuses as top OL will want to block
for Joe and Joe.

(02-21-2022, 04:05 PM)Nicomo Cosca Wrote: I think all 3 of Pollack, Taylor, and Callahan are accountable for that one. I seriously doubt a position coach makes that decision on his own when it comes to the Super Bowl.

(02-21-2022, 04:09 PM)Nate (formerly eliminate08) Wrote: True. It was a huge mistake by all of them and it might of cost us the game. I know Carman is inconsistent but at least he 
isn't just consistently bad like Adeniji is. I have hope for Carman and D'Ante Smith, I honestly don't know about Adeniji after
what he showed, he plays way too high with poor technique.