(03-17-2023, 08:33 PM)OSUfan Wrote: His receiving ability is not unknown. There is not a player in the draft that has known receiving ability in the NFL because they are not there yet. In the following highlight video what you can take away from it is that Washington is a natural pass catcher that has no issue catching a ball in traffic and who understands how to settle into the open spots in a zone which is what the Bengals ask their TEs to do on a regular basis. You can also take from the video that he is a tough tackle with the ball in his hands and is looking for yards after the catch.

The ceiling on Washington is extremely high which is what you want from a first round selection.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M7SbLkZ4_Pg

(03-17-2023, 08:59 PM)Synric Wrote: Yea. As that Video shows Darnell Washington is a dangerous TE-Y especially down the seam in play action which was most of that highlight video. In fact all but one of those highlight catches were on routes he was running in a straight line. The only breaking route was the only WR route he ran and it was a 10 yard stick with the coverage so far off he didnt have to break down. 


I have defended Darnell Washington and his skill set a ton now that the combine has given him a huge spotlight I feel like I spend time tempering expectations for him lol. He has a good chance of being one of the elite TE-Y because of his blocking dude is big long and powerful. As a receiver those highlights are what your getting he is probably not a guy your gonna line up in the slot on 3rd and long and ask to run a quick option route vs man coverage. Hes gonna be a play action guy you can get way down field and let jump guys. 

(03-17-2023, 10:10 PM)Housh Wrote: Don’t need a route tree If you are gonna be wide open for 80% of your passes


His big body will allow him to catch tight covered passes too


He’s gonna be a guy that excels in the NFL game compares to what he did in college. Good luck trying to tackle him on plays like 3rd and 2

(03-17-2023, 07:31 PM)Mike M (the other one) Wrote: Well, i'm of the opposite mind, with OBJr, I'm looking for DE/DL/LB/CB in the first couple rounds. Maybe RB in later rounds. 
Offensively, where should we try to improve? TE is about all, but we can still sign one then draft one in later rounds. 

I would think get D and prepare for some more players to be FA's at end of season.
Maybe like DJ Turner (CB) or Jack Campbell or Trent Simpson (LB if we don't get Wilson extended).
basically, we are almost in a really good spot to just go BPA. 

(03-17-2023, 07:04 PM)pulses Wrote: Wilcox and sample  prob won't be back....who else do they have???

(03-17-2023, 07:13 PM)pulses Wrote: Asiasi is garbage and this draft class is deep on TE's they are gonna draft one you can count on that.

(03-17-2023, 08:25 PM)QueenCity Wrote: Thats fair... very interested to see how his career pans out in Stripes or not!

Moreau and a 3rd or 4th rounder on a Tight End I can get behind if they don't go with Mayer or Washington

(03-18-2023, 12:34 AM)hoosierbengal Wrote: I thought Moreau was gonna be TE1 for the Raiders when I saw that Waller was traded. I didn’t realize Moreau was a FA.

(03-17-2023, 10:18 PM)SladeX Wrote: If we land a good FA TE, then we can draft strictly BPA. Which I’m totally down with.

Judd: Totally?
Me: Totally

(03-17-2023, 07:31 PM)Mike M (the other one) Wrote: Well, i'm of the opposite mind, with OBJr, I'm looking for DE/DL/LB/CB in the first couple rounds. Maybe RB in later rounds. 
Offensively, where should we try to improve? TE is about all, but we can still sign one then draft one in later rounds. 

I would think get D and prepare for some more players to be FA's at end of season.
Maybe like DJ Turner (CB) or Jack Campbell or Trent Simpson (LB if we don't get Wilson extended).
basically, we are almost in a really good spot to just go BPA. 

(03-18-2023, 12:54 AM)Housh Wrote: Makes me think they don’t give a rats ass about Jimmy G

(03-17-2023, 10:42 PM)casear2727 Wrote: A TE defitniely needs to be able to run routes in the NFL, but not just run them but win them in order to be a truly successful TE in the league.  Synric is correct, he is catching slip passes off blocks or running straight seams. 

We all really like the guy, he isa physical beast, but he has caught like 40 passes in his entire college career.  Musgrave has only caught a few as well but he can run every route and win.  The PFF guys made a lot of sense questioning if a guy that is going to catch 2-3 passes per game simply coming off blocks is truly worth a 1st Round pick... especially for a team that passes as much as we do.  A team like the Titans? No doubt he would be optimal.  

(03-18-2023, 10:09 AM)Essex Johnson Wrote: Moreau makes sense on a similar contract that to gave Hurst, maybe a two year though... little doubt we will use the draft to try to find that more impactful TE we have been missing, if we sign Moreau less urgent to look 1st round, if we don;t sign any TEs in FA, I hope Mayer is there when we pick in 1st... most polished TE in the draft and a home town boy that will just add to being committed to excel like Hubbard

(03-18-2023, 10:09 AM)Essex Johnson Wrote: Moreau makes sense on a similar contract that to gave Hurst, maybe a two year though... little doubt we will use the draft to try to find that more impactful TE we have been missing, if we sign Moreau less urgent to look 1st round, if we don;t sign any TEs in FA, I hope Mayer is there when we pick in 1st... most polished TE in the draft and a home town boy that will just add to being committed to excel like Hubbard

(03-18-2023, 10:46 AM)OSUfan Wrote: I really like the assumptions that can be made as fact. Is Washington incapable of running other routes or did the Georgia offense just not ask him too? You are stating he only catches passes coming off of blocks but also acknowledge him being a seam threat...so which is it. Can you explain to me how it is that someone can know that in the Bengals offense that he is only going to catch 2-3 passes a game coming off of blocks? I find these silly notions sorry.

However, we can laud a guy like Musgrave that is a very average blocker, something a TE for Cincinnati must do, and who has demonstrated a very average catch radius. Then there is the fact that there combine testing shows nearly identical results for the events both competed in with Washington actually demonstrating his feet in the 20 yard shuttle while Musgrave did not.

What is even more hysterical is we are talking number of catches a game yet Washington in three seasons caught 45 balls for 774 yards while Musgrave in four seasons (senior season only 2 games because of a major knee injury...should we factor this as well) caught 47 balls for 633 yards. Oh yeah and then there was that major knee injury he is coming off of.

A questioned posed earlier is Washington a guy you throw a quick out to on 3rd and long and expect to create? Well you tell me by watching at :20. At 1:18 do you believe that Musgrave has demonstrated the catch radius to catch this pass? At 1:21 oh yeah that quick out and creating again. Oh yeah 2:59 that quick out yet again and creating for a first down. At 3:31 can you tell me you believe Musgrave is going to do this? Oh Hey 3:55 there is that quick out again and creating yet once again for a long first down.

I guess I am confused when I watch the agility of this man after the catch why people would believe he is incapable of running other routes? I then ask when I watch this highlight tape what else you would really want to see from that demonstrates the dominant strengths this man brings to the offense of a football team?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ymu1OA0czBk

(03-18-2023, 10:46 AM)OSUfan Wrote: I really like the assumptions that can be made as fact. Is Washington incapable of running other routes or did the Georgia offense just not ask him too? You are stating he only catches passes coming off of blocks but also acknowledge him being a seam threat...so which is it. Can you explain to me how it is that someone can know that in the Bengals offense that he is only going to catch 2-3 passes a game coming off of blocks? I find these silly notions sorry.

However, we can laud a guy like Musgrave that is a very average blocker, something a TE for Cincinnati must do, and who has demonstrated a very average catch radius. Then there is the fact that there combine testing shows nearly identical results for the events both competed in with Washington actually demonstrating his feet in the 20 yard shuttle while Musgrave did not.

What is even more hysterical is we are talking number of catches a game yet Washington in three seasons caught 45 balls for 774 yards while Musgrave in four seasons (senior season only 2 games because of a major knee injury...should we factor this as well) caught 47 balls for 633 yards. Oh yeah and then there was that major knee injury he is coming off of.

A questioned posed earlier is Washington a guy you throw a quick out to on 3rd and long and expect to create? Well you tell me by watching at :20. At 1:18 do you believe that Musgrave has demonstrated the catch radius to catch this pass? At 1:21 oh yeah that quick out and creating again. Oh yeah 2:59 that quick out yet again and creating for a first down. At 3:31 can you tell me you believe Musgrave is going to do this? Oh Hey 3:55 there is that quick out again and creating yet once again for a long first down.

I guess I am confused when I watch the agility of this man after the catch why people would believe he is incapable of running other routes? I then ask when I watch this highlight tape what else you would really want to see from that demonstrates the dominant strengths this man brings to the offense of a football team?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ymu1OA0czBk