(05-02-2024, 02:28 PM)Nate (formerly eliminate08) Wrote: Well Kris Jenkins is really strong as we see from him doing that Turkish get-up, maybe he can be a very good pass rusher...

We all know Geno Atkins won with his strength, yah never know. All I know is Kris Jenkins said in his interview, he will do whatever the 
coaches want him to do to become the player they need. Whether it was playing End, a pass rushing 3-tech or eat a lot of chili and play NT.

This is just what he said. I need to watch more film on his pass rush to judge this part of his game honestly. I know he is a great run stopper
and that is what we needed more than anything.

(05-02-2024, 10:39 AM)CJD Wrote: Maybe I'd feel better if there was a similar player in the NFL that is successful? Like, are there are any 300 lb DTs that aren't great pass rushers that are pro bowlers?

I'm going down the list of elite DTs that are around 300 lbs (or less in some cases) and all of them were elite pass rushers in college:
Quinnen Williams
Johnathan Allen
DeForest Buckner
Javon Hargrave
Fletcher Cox
Geno Atkins

All of the above had at least 1 7.5 sack season in college.

Even Ed Oliver, who didn't put up big sack numbers (13.5 in 3 seasons) in college had 53 TFL in 3 seasons, so he still showed his prowess as a penetrating 3T, even if it didn't result in as many sacks. 

Maybe Kobie Turner would be a good comp for him? Kobie only had 2 sacks in his final year of college after transferring, which is similar to Jenkins' 2.5 sacks. But even Kobie had 10 TFL in his final year of college, whereas Jenkins has never exceeded 4.5 TFL in a single season. 

I don't have all the advanced statistics on every DT that came out of college, so maybe some of these guys had a sub 10% pass rush win rate like Jenkins as well but, looking at just production stats (sacks, TFL), I am not finding a player who was not a good pass rusher in college, was 300 lbs or less, and then came to the NFL and became an elite DT.

(05-02-2024, 03:16 PM)Whatever Wrote: Fletcher Cox only had 7.5 sacks his entire college career.

(05-02-2024, 03:18 PM)CJD Wrote: Whoops, I was looking at his TFLs.

Well then maybe Cox is my hope of what Jenkins can become

(05-02-2024, 02:31 PM)CJD Wrote: Aaron Donald was a pass rusher. In college and the NFL. He had 63 TFL and 27.5 sacks in his last 3 years in college.

Kris Jenkins has 8.5 TFL, 4.5 sacks in 3 years.

If Kris Jenkins had Donald's pass rushing profile, I would not be worried at all.

But he doesn't. Not even close.

(05-02-2024, 02:46 PM)CJD Wrote: I hope it translates in the NFL. It didn't in college though. It's hard to expect a player to do something in the NFL that they didn't do in college.

It's great when it happens. But it shouldn't be counted on.

Atkins won with his strength, but he did it in college and in the NFL.

Jenkins sounds to me like a high motor guy who will be a coach's favorite player, but will never actually become as good as you'd hope.

But again, I'm praying that I'm wrong. I want to be wrong. For the team's sake.

(05-02-2024, 03:16 PM)Whatever Wrote: Fletcher Cox only had 7.5 sacks his entire college career.

(05-04-2024, 11:17 AM)The D.O.Z. Wrote: I like Kris's versatility first and foremost. I like his energy and his attitude a lot too. But he doesn't strike me as someone who is going to be consistently asked to play NT. I see him as a Christian Wilkins type. He can play shade NT, 3T in a 4-3 / 5-2 alignment or play a down DE in 3-4 (Hendrickson and / or Hubbard standing up as "OLBs"). Being a part of a rotation not only keeps our guys fresher, we can also be more versatile with what "looks" we're giving offenses.

(05-02-2024, 03:24 PM)Whatever Wrote: Don't get me wrong, I don't think Jenkins is ever going to be an elite pass rusher.  I mean, elite pass rushers at DT are very difficult to find.  

That said, I think he can be a solid 3 down player and a steady 4-6 sack guy.

(05-02-2024, 02:46 PM)CJD Wrote: I hope it translates in the NFL. It didn't in college though. It's hard to expect a player to do something in the NFL that they didn't do in college.

It's great when it happens. But it shouldn't be counted on.

Atkins won with his strength, but he did it in college and in the NFL.

Jenkins sounds to me like a high motor guy who will be a coach's favorite player, but will never actually become as good as you'd hope.

But again, I'm praying that I'm wrong. I want to be wrong. For the team's sake.

(05-06-2024, 11:23 AM)ochocincos Wrote: Jenkins to me seems like the IDL equivalent of Sam Hubbard.
He might get ya 2-4 sacks a season, but his best attributes will be run defense, effort, and attitude.


It's unfortunate, as I really wanted to see a true UT selected along with a NT. Bengals got the true NT in Jackson, IMO.
I probably would have gone with Michael Hall instead of Jenkins at that pick, as Hall offers more pass rush upside, but I know the Bengals need good run defense against the AFC North, so I get it.

(05-06-2024, 11:23 AM)ochocincos Wrote: Jenkins to me seems like the IDL equivalent of Sam Hubbard.
He might get ya 2-4 sacks a season, but his best attributes will be run defense, effort, and attitude.


It's unfortunate, as I really wanted to see a true UT selected along with a NT. Bengals got the true NT in Jackson, IMO.
I probably would have gone with Michael Hall instead of Jenkins at that pick, as Hall offers more pass rush upside, but I know the Bengals need good run defense against the AFC North, so I get it.

(05-06-2024, 02:24 PM)Nate (formerly eliminate08) Wrote: Makes sense. Nice post Ochocincos, agree, if I have a complaint about the pick it is that Jenkins is not a pass rusher yet like Michael Hall is.

But we needed to stop the run in the AFC North and Jenkins and Jackson should help big time in this area.

(05-06-2024, 06:20 PM)J24 Wrote: You need both- 1 dimensional players(not saying Jenkins is
) gets you killed in this league.