(10-21-2024, 01:28 PM)coachmcneil71 Wrote: I always liked TB and at that price it seems a no-brainer, but he's not exactly putting up numbers. Is being used more as an outlet/safety blanket thus far in Tenn.

We have several talented options at WR 3, but JB always looks to Chase and Tee first. By the time he comes off of each of them, he's usually out of time to make a good throw to any of the others. It's a product of getting killed for 3 years straight, while in the pocket. 

Guys like PM and Brady seem to always have the time to sit back, pat the ball, and wait for a third option to get open. Burrow hasn't had that option. JB makes good reads most of the time and gets rid of it. He has to. Ts, that mindset doesn't allow for many 3rd or 4th option reads. 

We have some dudes, Coaching staff just has to do their job by developing them and SCHEMING some of them open. You know, the shit that Andy Reid does year after year, game after game with Jimmy's and Joes.

Running Burton or Yoshi on the 9 and tossing one up to them once a half is not scheming our third options open. It's a crap shoot play with minimal odds. 

(10-21-2024, 01:28 PM)coachmcneil71 Wrote: I always liked TB and at that price it seems a no-brainer, but he's not exactly putting up numbers. Is being used more as an outlet/safety blanket thus far in Tenn.

We have several talented options at WR 3, but JB always looks to Chase and Tee first. By the time he comes off of each of them, he's usually out of time to make a good throw to any of the others. It's a product of getting killed for 3 years straight, while in the pocket. 

Guys like PM and Brady seem to always have the time to sit back, pat the ball, and wait for a third option to get open. Burrow hasn't had that option. JB makes good reads most of the time and gets rid of it. He has to. Ts, that mindset doesn't allow for many 3rd or 4th option reads. 

We have some dudes, Coaching staff just has to do their job by developing them and SCHEMING some of them open. You know, the shit that Andy Reid does year after year, game after game with Jimmy's and Joes.

Running Burton or Yoshi on the 9 and tossing one up to them once a half is not scheming our third options open. It's a crap shoot play with minimal odds. 

(10-21-2024, 01:28 PM)coachmcneil71 Wrote: I always liked TB and at that price it seems a no-brainer, but he's not exactly putting up numbers. Is being used more as an outlet/safety blanket thus far in Tenn.

We have several talented options at WR 3, but JB always looks to Chase and Tee first. By the time he comes off of each of them, he's usually out of time to make a good throw to any of the others. It's a product of getting killed for 3 years straight, while in the pocket. 

Guys like PM and Brady seem to always have the time to sit back, pat the ball, and wait for a third option to get open. Burrow hasn't had that option. JB makes good reads most of the time and gets rid of it. He has to. Ts, that mindset doesn't allow for many 3rd or 4th option reads. 

We have some dudes, Coaching staff just has to do their job by developing them and SCHEMING some of them open. You know, the shit that Andy Reid does year after year, game after game with Jimmy's and Joes.

Running Burton or Yoshi on the 9 and tossing one up to them once a half is not scheming our third options open
. It's a crap shoot play with minimal odds. 

(10-21-2024, 01:17 PM)Synric Wrote: I'm a little less pessimistic. I would like them to expand All's formations and route tree if they want to continue to use him regularly. What they ask him to do he is doing well but he's not being asked much as a receiver. 

(10-21-2024, 01:39 PM)Bengalbug Wrote: Context matters, no WR on the titans has 200 yards on the season. Boyd is 13 yards away from being tied for the team high in yards… Ridley.

(10-21-2024, 01:38 PM)Nate (formerly eliminate08) Wrote: Joe needs to work with Burton, honestly he is the most talented of the bunch with those hands and quicks. I think the answer is in the 
building and he just needs to get on the same page with the Offense. As Sunset said in another thread, get the audibles down and such.

Like you say Coach, Joe looks to Chase and Tee first every time and that is predictable and that is on Joe. Gesicki has shown flashes at 
TE this year and if Erick All gets the deeper routes he could surprise as well. I like the players in house better than going back to a washed
Tyler Boyd nothing against the guy but he hasn't impressed me in years and not with the Titans either.

(10-21-2024, 01:17 PM)Synric Wrote: I'm a little less pessimistic. I would like them to expand All's formations and route tree if they want to continue to use him regularly. What they ask him to do he is doing well but he's not being asked much as a receiver. Chase Brown has looked explosive as a runner but hasn't added much to the passing game which I was hoping. Andre Iosivas has not looked good. I hope they at least start giving Jermaine Burton some snaps on the boundary when Chase or Tee are in the slot.

(10-21-2024, 10:46 AM)WeezyBengal Wrote: I think it's time to kind of hit the panic button on our WR3 situation.

I was super high on Yoshi coming into the year, but he's been a dissapointment. Same with Geiski.

Other than Higgins and Chase, we haven't had anyone step up to take control of that WR3 spot. We are getting no production out of the slot and aren't working the middle of the field at all.

(10-21-2024, 01:46 PM)3wt Wrote: What's been wrong with Iosivas?   Is it a separation thing or contested catching?

He's made some really nice receptions.

It's disturbing that we can't find a way to expand Burton's role and snaps.  The guy has skills.  He gets open, he has speed and he has hands of steel.   He must be a really slow study.   I don't know, but I hope he catches up!  I see him on the sidelines and he does not seem to be pouting or not paying attention.

I have this dream that towards the end of the season he's going to be unveiled as a reliable and dangerous option.

(10-21-2024, 01:47 PM)ochocincos Wrote: For anyone who has paid close enough attention (not me), is it more about the routes being called during the plays or these dudes not getting open quickly enough?

I'm not overly worried given the Bengals are 3-1 these past 4 games compared to 0-3 the first 3.
Plus, I don't think the Bengals will make any move for additional pass catchers before the trade deadline, so we're stuck with who they have.

(10-21-2024, 01:42 PM)XsandOs Wrote: This. 

Something beyond just flats. Shallow curls, digs, etc. 

(10-21-2024, 01:12 PM)TheLeonardLeap Wrote: Yoshi on pace for 459 yards with just a 58.3 catch %, 12.5 drop %, and only 1.1 yards after the catch per reception.

We need some better innovation or Chase's back is going to give out from all the weight that's been put on it.

(10-21-2024, 01:42 PM)XsandOs Wrote: This. 

Something beyond just flats. Shallow curls, digs, etc. 

(10-21-2024, 01:44 PM)Bengalbug Wrote: Tyler Boyd’s career completion percentage is 68%.

completion percentage

2024 - 75
2023 - 68
2022 - 71
2021 - 71

His targets might be down, but I don’t see “washed” regression.

(10-21-2024, 01:46 PM)3wt Wrote: What's been wrong with Iosivas?   Is it a separation thing or contested catching?

He's made some really nice receptions.

It's disturbing that we can't find a way to expand Burton's role and snaps.  The guy has skills.  He gets open, he has speed and he has hands of steel.   He must be a really slow study.   I don't know, but I hope he catches up!  I see him on the sidelines and he does not seem to be pouting or not paying attention.

I have this dream that towards the end of the season he's going to be unveiled as a reliable and dangerous option.

(10-21-2024, 01:47 PM)Bengalbug Wrote: Iosivas can’t separate. His only real production is on broken and extended plays.

(10-21-2024, 01:48 PM)Bengalbug Wrote: They cannot separate.

(10-21-2024, 01:53 PM)ochocincos Wrote: According to Next Gen Stats, here are the average yards of separation for the Bengals receivers:
Chase - 3.4 yards
Gesicki - 3.1 yards
Iosivas - 2.7 yards
Higgins - 2.5 yards

So Higgins has less average separation than both Iosivas and Gesicki.

https://nextgenstats.nfl.com/stats/receiving#average-separation

(10-21-2024, 01:52 PM)TecmoBengals Wrote: and apparently Chuck  Sizzle or Burton aren't trusted by the coaches to play the slot? 3 targets total between the two of them for the entire year.

(10-21-2024, 01:28 PM)coachmcneil71 Wrote: I always liked TB and at that price it seems a no-brainer, but he's not exactly putting up numbers. Is being used more as an outlet/safety blanket thus far in Tenn.

We have several talented options at WR 3, but JB always looks to Chase and Tee first. By the time he comes off of each of them, he's usually out of time to make a good throw to any of the others. It's a product of getting killed for 3 years straight, while in the pocket. 

Guys like PM and Brady seem to always have the time to sit back, pat the ball, and wait for a third option to get open. Burrow hasn't had that option. JB makes good reads most of the time and gets rid of it. He has to. Ts, that mindset doesn't allow for many 3rd or 4th option reads. 

We have some dudes, Coaching staff just has to do their job by developing them and SCHEMING some of them open. You know, the shit that Andy Reid does year after year, game after game with Jimmy's and Joes.

Running Burton or Yoshi on the 9 and tossing one up to them once a half is not scheming our third options open. It's a crap shoot play with minimal odds. 

(10-21-2024, 01:59 PM)ochocincos Wrote: Feels kinda crappy to spend a 4th round pick on a gloried return specialist in Charlie Jones, no?

I thought when he was picked he was going to be the heir slot receiver after Boyd departed.

Surely the Bengals aren't just too afraid to play him on offense because they need him to return punts, right?

Jones as a perfect skill set for the slot.
He has great speed and agility.
He dominated his final year at Purdue, so it's not like there wasn't tape showing he can translate that speed and agility to the field.

(10-21-2024, 01:59 PM)ochocincos Wrote: Feels kinda crappy to spend a 4th round pick on a gloried return specialist in Charlie Jones, no?

I thought when he was picked he was going to be the heir slot receiver after Boyd departed.

Surely the Bengals aren't just too afraid to play him on offense because they need him to return punts, right?

Jones as a perfect skill set for the slot.
He has great speed and agility.
He dominated his final year at Purdue, so it's not like there wasn't tape showing he can translate that speed and agility to the field.

(10-21-2024, 01:56 PM)Frank Booth Wrote: Higgins was always a contested catch receiver. Except you can trust Tee's hands. Tee makes that catch that Yoshi dropped yesterday